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re: Let's talk about some marital privilege and class signaling
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:37 pm to the808bass
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:37 pm to the808bass
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Add in the fact that college educated people are generally self-segregating to marry other college educated people and you're accelerating the class divide at warp speed.
oh yeah 100%
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:38 pm to Iosh
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Okay so this is another thread where you beat the shite out of a straw man labeled PROG.
did you not read the rest of the words i wrote in that post?
also, i use "prog" because many professed liberals on this board request the terminology to separate them from the insanity
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:38 pm to Iosh
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I'm sorry are you saying there's a stigma against married people?
There isn't enough of one against people who aren't and have children.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:40 pm to Iosh
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Okay so this is another thread where you beat the shite out of a straw man labeled PROG. Carry on.
Let's pose this another way. Does progressive liberalism value marriage as a fundamental societal good?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:41 pm to LuckyTiger
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I almost married a girl that was super rich. Problem was that she was absolutely historically insane. It was a real shame.
You made a bad choice. All women are crazy. Only a few are rich.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:41 pm to Antonio Moss
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There isn't enough of one against people who aren't and have children.
Preach.
At some point, I will say something to some grandma bragging about the upcoming birth of her bastard grandchild. I will likely regret it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is just one of those classic "class values" situations, where it's clear that we know which avenue is superior and for whatever reason, we create a negative connotation around the behavior while defending those who reject the more optimal set of decisions. it's insanity of progressivism and really, REALLY ends up fricking over the very people they claim to defend.
Leftists have never been accused of being very reasonable, rational or logical.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
quote:No, they think it's completely unimportant. That's why you haven't heard a word from them about marriage in the last decade. If progressive liberalism actually valued marriage then they would've spent that time raising hell to bring its benefits to a population they were historically unavailable to.
Let's pose this another way. Does progressive liberalism value marriage as a fundamental societal good?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
It is not just a matter of creating social stigmas around certain choices and classes
I mean the there are several instances you can look to in the operation of our federal government that actively discourage marriage and traditional families and creates incentive for straying away from this
So the traditional family is being shamed for being a part of the oppression while simultaneously being financially punished by the federal government
I mean the there are several instances you can look to in the operation of our federal government that actively discourage marriage and traditional families and creates incentive for straying away from this
So the traditional family is being shamed for being a part of the oppression while simultaneously being financially punished by the federal government
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:47 pm to Iosh
Your sarcasm is avoiding the point.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:51 pm to Iosh
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No, they think it's completely unimportant. That's why you haven't heard a word from them about marriage in the last decade. If progressive liberalism actually valued marriage then they would've spent that time raising hell to bring its benefits to a population they were historically unavailable to.
they were promoting the ideology to support one subset of the progressive umbrella, while another (the feminists) continue to attack marriage as an institution and while a cross section of others creates new concepts to attack the outcomes of marriage (like nuclear family privilege). very few people have claimed the progressive umbrella displays complete ideological consistency
that doesn't mean that these beliefs don't exist or are a "straw man"
you're literally cherry picking isolated comments to pull a "drive by gotcha"
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:52 pm to ThePoo
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I mean the there are several instances you can look to in the operation of our federal government that actively discourage marriage and traditional families and creates incentive for straying away from this
oh yeah this is 100% true (and i believe i quoted it, but if not, it's in the article)
you can easily fall off the "welfare cliff" if you get married and that's why cohabitation is so popular with the poor
these people game the system we've created and it locks them into poverty and trains them to teach their kids how to game the system instead of getting out of it
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:54 pm to Antonio Moss
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I believe it's high time we stigmatize.
Consequences change behavior. A lack of consequences never will.
That's not true. A lack of consequences always changes behavior. When behavior lacks a negative consequence, it promotes continuing or even expanding that behavior.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is simple:
Liberal elite women are anti marriage because they don't need it financially.
Poor women are anti marriage because they can get more government benefits as single moms.
Liberal elite women are anti marriage because they don't need it financially.
Poor women are anti marriage because they can get more government benefits as single moms.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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these people game the system we've created and it locks them into poverty and trains them to teach their kids how to game the system instead of getting out of it
When you incentivize a behavior, you get more of it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:58 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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You made a bad choice. All women are crazy. Only a few are rich
No bro you don't know this particular woman.
I'd be dead now.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Bingo!
TA growing gap in marriage is helping to drive economic inequality in the U.S.
If I've posted this once, I've posted it 100 times.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're literally cherry picking isolated comments to pull a "drive by gotcha"
I mean it's kinda his thing for whatever reason.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:03 pm to Iosh
quote:And let me extend on this point because I need to check out soon and feel like a bit of venting: If you care to look, you will find plenty of far-left queer studies types still fulminating in their Journal of Marxist Scrawlings that marriage is a bougie institution whose extension to gays does the cause of equality a great disservice. Here's an exemplar of the type from Yasmin Nair: LINK
No, they think it's completely unimportant. That's why you haven't heard a word from them about marriage in the last decade. If progressive liberalism actually valued marriage then they would've spent that time raising hell to bring its benefits to a population they were historically unavailable to.
This anti-marriage view was very common in the early days of the LGBT movement but has since fallen into massive disfavor while the Andrew Sullivan type arguments for legal equality gained much more traction. This is because the far left actually doesn't have that much influence in America.
Most of what you and the rest of this forum perceives as crypto-liberalism on my part is really just profound exasperation at the "everything to my left is a hivemind" fallacy. Not only is it wrong, it's wrong in a way that encourages positive feedback and more wrongness because the easiest way to make your position virtuous and correct is to compare it to a vague, extreme view that very few of its opponents actually believe. And so we get SFP here writing a lot of words with a lot of graphs that ultimately hinge on the claim that "the progs" are responsible for the drop in marriage rates, as though the centrist Democrats like Moynihan who actually crafted policy, who wrote goddamn manifestos about how important marriage was to the underprivileged, were taking their cues from Andrea Dworkin, who is probably ten times as well known among conservatives as liberals.
I'm not saying nobody was demonizing marriage. I'm saying nobody who mattered was demonizing marriage.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:05 pm to Iosh
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This is because the far left actually doesn't have that much influence in America.
This is fantasy.
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