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re: Let's suppose Trump is right. All countries come to the table...
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:32 pm to Flats
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:32 pm to Flats
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It's possible that their strategy is to look discombobulated so as to conceal their true intentions. If that's the case it's working.
You may know enough of my posting history to know that I don't think Trump is a super genius, etc., but I think he's surrounded himself with better people this time around.
If the administration came out and said, "listen, these tariffs? Yeah, we'd like to address some imbalances with China and reshore some critical manufacturing, but rather than do this in targeted fashion we're going to use a shotgun because we want trillions to come out of risk-on assets and a flight to safety, because we want to drive our borrowing costs down. After that's accomplished, we'll "win" our way out of this scheme and, outside of China, everything will pretty much be back to normal inside of a year" - that wouldn't work so well.
I may be giving Trump's team too much credit, but some of them have articulated this strategy before.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:33 pm to Turbeauxdog
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When the result of malpractice? Yes. We're addressing the malpractice and letting the free market dictate.
"Free market" it is not.
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We finally have a free trade administration.
Free trade is when government manipulates markets even more.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's your typical MAGA moving target.
Really where was the specific target outlined?
I assume you're going to post where the admin said a specific Vietnamese plant would be closed and replaced by a specific US plant?
You're not.
Because you're making this shite up and defining your opponent how best fits your terrible incoherent baseless arguments
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"Free market" it is not.
Wrong.
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Free trade is when government manipulates markets even more
Derp. Too stupid to be worthy of anything but insult.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:37 pm to David_DJS
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I think he's surrounded himself with better people this time around.
I don't think there's any question about this.
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I may be giving Trump's team too much credit, but some of them have articulated this strategy before.
My comment was serious, although some things you really just can't explain, like the not-really-reciprocal-tariffs that are supposed to be reciprocal tariffs. What you're saying is 100% correct, it's been floated for months and it's possible that's the strategy, but they're not exactly building confidence with the missteps.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In this thread, they are 0
Then isn’t that what every country should want?
Tariffs bad. No tariffs good.
So that’s good for everyone.
Trump would have brought all tariffs to zero. Exactly what you’ve been clamoring for.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:39 pm to David_DJS
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I may be giving Trump's team too much credit, but some of them have articulated this strategy before.
I think the rollout and lack of coherent information freaked people out as much as the actual tariffs. So they chose poorly
The handling of this has been objectively bad.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:41 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Really where was the specific target outlined?
The point is that no target has, or will, be outlined. That's literally the point
That's why we don't know if it's tariffs or currency manipulation or trade deficits or what the goal is, to bring manufacturing home, to lower tariffs, or to raise revenue. It's all a vague nebulous malleable concept that's a moving target both now and when the actual results come.
Same strategy as using words like "globalism", "deep state", lawfare", etc. that change given the argument on purpose.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the rollout and lack of coherent information freaked people out as much as the actual tariffs. So they chose poorly The handling of this has been objectively bad.
You guys can’t even decide if tariffs are good or not
It’s not trumps fault you are a moron.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:42 pm to dgnx6
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Trump would have brought all tariffs to zero. Exactly what you’ve been clamoring for.
In that scenario, per the OP, then manufacturing isn't being brought back, which is what many MAGA people argue the tariffs are for.
Again, exactly the point of OP.
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We negotiate full scale equal trade. 0% across the board. Big win, I suppose.
How exactly is that pushing manufacturing back stateside? Labor is still cheaper in Vietnam.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:43 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Derp. Too stupid to be worthy of anything but insult.
Explain how more government is "free" trade.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:43 pm to dgnx6
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You guys can’t even decide if tariffs are good or not
In rare cases they can be good. Just not long, severe and widespread.
Trump has no real plan. We're winging it.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the rollout and lack of coherent information freaked people out as much as the actual tariffs. So they chose poorly
The handling of this has been objectively bad.
Again, if you're wanting to drive cash out of risk-on assets and into bonds, they did this the right way.
Reality is probably somewhere between that rosy assumption and yours.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:44 pm to dgnx6
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It’s not trumps fault you are a moron.
Well it kinda is actually. Know what I mean?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:45 pm to David_DJS
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Again, if you're wanting to drive cash out of risk-on assets and into bonds, they did this the right way.
If you can get around the deceit and incoherence of it all, I suppose.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:45 pm to Flats
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but they're not exactly building confidence with the missteps.
I'm as skeptical as I am hopeful, but regardless - I don't think they have other options outside of doing what's always been done and kick the can down the road. I give Trump's team credit for at least trying.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:45 pm to David_DJS
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Again, if you're wanting to drive cash out of risk-on assets and into bonds, they did this the right way.
To paraphrase what Bunk has stated numerous times, I don't remember promoting a forced recession in Agenda47
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you can get around the deceit and incoherence of it all, I suppose.
Well, does deceit/incoherence cause anxiety or calm fears? Because it's anxiety they would want.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:48 pm to David_DJS
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I give Trump's team credit for at least trying.
I'm fine with disruption, recognizing that it's risky and won't be all positive.
But it's also true that just because disruption might be needed, not all disruption will be a good answer. It might be downright destructive and leave you worse off than before.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Explain how more government is "free" trade.
It's not, and we need the world to come along to the same understanding if we're going to trade with them.
Would you prefer bombs?
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