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re: Let's suppose Trump is right. All countries come to the table...
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/5/25 at 5:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well they got the same reciprocal "tariff", along with many other poor countries.
And the claim made by the heading on the chart has been debunked, which you well know.
Stupid of them to do that, but you know that is not the actual metric.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:03 pm to DiamondDog
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How exactly is that pushing manufacturing back stateside? Labor is still cheaper in Vietnam.
Interestingly, almost every nation that builds cars with their cheaper labor STILL have been tariffing US produced automobiles which tends to indicate they don't feel the labor advantage alone isn't enough.
Sure, creating an ADVANTAGE for us would probably pull back more manufacturing but ANY reduction in the disadvantages is going to help some.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:08 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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The fact that no two MAGAs have the same answer on that is a testament to how shitty this rollout has been
What if the objective of this whole tariff soap opera was to cause uncertainty, ratchet up fear, have the skeered move dollars from equities to treasuries and ultimately borrow $10T at rates substantially lower than rates that prevailed at the beginning of this year?
In this case, this rollout would have been super duper awesome.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:09 pm to David_DJS
Yes I’ve seen this same theory pumped into the MAGAsphere as well
Multi dimensional chess never fails
Multi dimensional chess never fails
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your emotionality is making you not read what's written.
Just stop.
You've failed using this against people for years.
It's a crutch.
Do better.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:11 pm to BuckyCheese
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And the claim made by the heading on the chart has been debunked, which you well know.
Stupid of them to do that, but you know that is not the actual metric.
But the question is how they fix it, since they can't fix the trade imbalance.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:12 pm to Turbeauxdog
What was written:
Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
Many other countries cannot fix their trade imbalance with the US for similar reasons. There are tons of poor countries with shite currencies.
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Trade imbalances are also caused by many other things than these nefarious boogeymen that you're referencing.
Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
Many other countries cannot fix their trade imbalance with the US for similar reasons. There are tons of poor countries with shite currencies.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:13 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Flirting with an economic depression is an interesting strategy.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Vietnam can reverse all the "currency manipulation" you claim and all tariffs and they will still have a trade imbalance with the US because they are poor with an inferior currency. Mathematically, it's impossible for them to fix this.
Do you have a point?
You are flailing.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:14 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Well that's a stupid conclusion to draw.
The fact that no two MAGAs have the same answer on that is a testament to how shitty this rollout has been
People having differering viewpoints on how a something will take hold in an economy is pretty much a given in oh..............about 100% of cases.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:15 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Do you have a point?
You are flailing.
No I'm discussing exactly what we are, directly.
How can Vietnam fix the trade imbalance, if that's the point of the "reciprocal tariffs"?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:15 pm to Bunk Moreland
Our resident bootlickers who campaigned on suffering at the grocery store for 3 years will accept their gruel with a smile
It’s patriotic to buy American while also blindly supporting brainwashing grifters who sell merch using foreign sweat shops
It’s patriotic to buy American while also blindly supporting brainwashing grifters who sell merch using foreign sweat shops
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:15 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Yes I’ve seen this same theory pumped into the MAGAsphere as well
Multi dimensional chess never fails
It's been floated/discussed since long before Trump was elected last November. It's not really a theory. And there's this:
10 YR Treasury Yield this past Jan: 4.8%
10 YR Treasury Yield yesterday: 4.0%
quote:
Multi dimensional chess never fails
Well, it's not multi-dimensional chess for everybody.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:17 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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differering viewpoints on how a something will take hold in an economy
If a revolutionary plan is being enacted and no one can agree on why, then that’s “a something” that seems pretty damn stupid
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:17 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Flirting with an economic depression is an interesting strategy.
It's a high wire act, for sure. But what's the alternative? You seriously think we can sustain current debt/debt service levels?
When would be the appropriate time to address the problem?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:19 pm to David_DJS
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But what's the alternative?
Cut federal spending now. Don't promote a CR with Biden-level spending a few weeks ago.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:20 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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If a revolutionary plan is being enacted and no one can agree on why, then that’s “a something” that seems pretty damn stupid
Not at all.
Go ahead. Show me a SINGLE PLAN in the history of America where everyone SUPPORTING it agreed on exactly how it would impact the economy.
GOOD
frickING
LUCK
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:21 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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everyone SUPPORTING it agreed on exactly how it would
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If a revolutionary plan is being enacted and no one can agree on why
Found your problem, bubba
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:22 pm to DiamondDog
If tariffs are bad shouldn’t both countries try to be at 0?
Or have these countries been able to build up their economies and keep jobs by tariffing?
Or have these countries been able to build up their economies and keep jobs by tariffing?
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:22 pm to David_DJS
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It's a high wire act, for sure.
I would have a lot more confidence in this over-arching goal if the strategy was coherent. We're gonna bring back manufacturing, we're going to have free trade, we're going to have reciprocal tariffs; it's just all bullshite being flung at the wall.
It's possible that their strategy is to look discombobulated so as to conceal their true intentions. If that's the case it's working.
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