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re: Let's suppose Trump is right. All countries come to the table...
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:23 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:23 pm to dgnx6
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If tariffs are bad shouldn’t both countries try to be at 0?
This is his actual question
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How exactly is that pushing manufacturing back stateside? Labor is still cheaper in Vietnam.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How can Vietnam fix the trade imbalance, if that's the point of the "reciprocal tariffs"?
If they don't manipulate currency, or operate as a workaround for China (or others) to engage in mercantilism, who is asking them to?
If we eliminate stupid regulation, eliminate trade barriers, and Vietnam can ship raw materials from all over the world into their country, process those materials, and then ship those products into the United States and beat us, they should.
I would argue we should force our trade partners to bear a similar cost of labor/environmental/safety regulation or eliminate those same regulations domestically, but that isn't really on the table.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:24 pm to Turbeauxdog
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If they don't manipulate currency, or operate as a workaround for China (or others) to engage in mercantilism, who is asking them to?
The mental midgets who think a trade deficit is by definition a bad thing.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Don't promote a CR with Biden-level spending a few weeks ago.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of spending. Period. But we're already here. We've got $9T plus new deficits to borrow for, and the rates today are substantially higher than the rates for the paper that's being replaced. Spending cuts won't help that.
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Cut federal spending now.
Again, I agree. Burn it all down, is what I want to see. But we're not just cutting our way out of this.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:25 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Go ahead. Show me a SINGLE PLAN in the history of America where everyone SUPPORTING it agreed on exactly how it would impact the economy.
The rollout of this was probably as damaging as the tariffs themselves. It was amateur hour, and still there is no congruent reasoning behind the tariffs.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How exactly is that pushing manufacturing back stateside? Labor is still cheaper in Vietnam.
Dumb question.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:25 pm to Turbeauxdog
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If they don't manipulate currency, or operate as a workaround for China (or others) to engage in mercantilism, who is asking them to?
You
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Yeah when countries use impossible to measure things like currency manipulation to create a trade surplus they used the trade surplus as a punitive metric.
Or are we now going to pivot again?
That metric you're citing will still exist.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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no congruent reasoning behind the tariffs.
Roger translation : "I don't like it"
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:26 pm to David_DJS
I don't know, man. DJT has some serious balls if he decided to burst all the bubbles that have building up for 20-30 years. He may not be able to control the results.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You
False.
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Or are we now going to pivot again? That metric you're citing will still exist.
Your coherency is failing again.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:27 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Dumb question.
Not for the MAGA-acolytes who keep saying this is the goal of the policy, which is what OP is addressing.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Your coherency is failing again.
So are we attacking the trade imbalance or not?
And if not, why did the admin use that exclusively to calculate its "reciprocal" tariffs?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is his actual question
You are in bad faith if you can’t answer my question.
Or maybe it’s because you don’t know shite.
Ever thought of that?
Explain to me why tariffs are bad and why every country has tariffs?
If you can’t do this, there is no point in having a conversation with you about it.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:30 pm to dgnx6
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You are in bad faith if you can’t answer my question.
No. His thread assumes those rates go to 0
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We negotiate full scale equal trade. 0% across the board.
He made no subjective evaluation of them.
He specifically asked
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How exactly is that pushing manufacturing back stateside? Labor is still cheaper in Vietnam.
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Or maybe it’s because you don’t k ow shite.
Ever thought of that?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not for the MAGA-acolytes who keep saying this is the goal of the policy, which is what OP is addressing.
To "return manufacturing" means to return absolutely every element of manufacturing in every industry globally?
First I've heard of it.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:30 pm to dgnx6
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Explain to me why tariffs are bad and why every country has tariffs?
We're not talking about that.
OP assumes the tariffs are negotiated to 0. We're discussing that framework.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
So shouldn’t every country want to be at 0?
It’s a simple question you refuse to answer. Bad faith actor.
You can’t even tell me why tariffs are bad.
I provided you with citations the negatives of prolonged trade deficits.
Stay in your fricking lane you scum lawyer.
It’s a simple question you refuse to answer. Bad faith actor.
You can’t even tell me why tariffs are bad.
I provided you with citations the negatives of prolonged trade deficits.
Stay in your fricking lane you scum lawyer.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:31 pm to Turbeauxdog
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To "return manufacturing" means to return absolutely every element of manufacturing in every industry globally?
I'm not sure. It's your typical MAGA moving target. You'd have to ask the ones who keep talking about it as the goal.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So are we attacking the trade imbalance or not?
When the result of malpractice? Yes. We're addressing the malpractice and letting the free market dictate.
We finally have a free trade administration.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 6:32 pm to dgnx6
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So shouldn’t every country want to be at 0?
In this thread, they are 0
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