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re: Let's Have an Honest Talk About Mass Shootings.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:56 am to Nobelium
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:56 am to Nobelium
quote:BHP posted a graph in the other thread showing that mass shootings really have not risen in the past 50 years. They've moved up and down in a pretty narrow band. What's changed is the body count per incident. But still. I would argue we don't really have a problem of mass shootings. It's a vastly overstated phenomenon that is pretty rare.
now the same people who would have been serial killers 50 years ago are becoming mass shooters.
I would put way more resources behind training and licensing actually competent drivers than I would behind any kind of supposedly "anti-mass shooting" efforts.
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:58 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I would put way more resources behind training and licensing actually competent drivers than I would behind any kind of supposedly "anti-mass shooting" efforts.
amen
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:24 am to Vecchio Cane
Seems to me the divide is between those that believe it is all about gun ownership and thise that think it is all about the gun owner.
Variations of ideology on the left-
Government confiscation
Gun Registration
Illegalize semi auto rifles
Illegalize hand guns
Waiting period for gun purchases
More spending for mental health
Variations of ideology on the right-
Expand gun ownership
Eliminate ‘gun free Zones’
Expand police force-presence
Arm security guards and teachers
Increase penalties for illegal gun ownership
Increased incarceration for mentally handicapped
Expanded background checks to include info on medication
Wait period for purchase of semi auto rifles and handguns
So there is some crossover in ideology but the NRA is a rough hardline group and doesn’t want any erosion of gun ownership. Guns are just the ‘how’. Very easy to understand.
It’s the ‘why’ that is puzzling.
But there needs to be some honest discussion as to they why.
Variations of ideology on the left-
Government confiscation
Gun Registration
Illegalize semi auto rifles
Illegalize hand guns
Waiting period for gun purchases
More spending for mental health
Variations of ideology on the right-
Expand gun ownership
Eliminate ‘gun free Zones’
Expand police force-presence
Arm security guards and teachers
Increase penalties for illegal gun ownership
Increased incarceration for mentally handicapped
Expanded background checks to include info on medication
Wait period for purchase of semi auto rifles and handguns
So there is some crossover in ideology but the NRA is a rough hardline group and doesn’t want any erosion of gun ownership. Guns are just the ‘how’. Very easy to understand.
It’s the ‘why’ that is puzzling.
But there needs to be some honest discussion as to they why.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:28 am to Vecchio Cane
"A gun, even a scary assault rifle, is a very inefficient way to harm a large group of people."
I think I know what you mean by "efficiency," but I suggest that you're not factoring in how easily it is to get and use a gun compared to making a bomb or chemical agent of some kind. Getting a gun, through legal or illegal channels, is easy and relatively cheap, and only a modicum of skill is required for the low purpose of murdering the unarmed and unsuspecting. so, even though death tolls can be much higher with explosives (see OKC), the gun is still "efficient" when you consider how easy they are to obtain and use.
I think I know what you mean by "efficiency," but I suggest that you're not factoring in how easily it is to get and use a gun compared to making a bomb or chemical agent of some kind. Getting a gun, through legal or illegal channels, is easy and relatively cheap, and only a modicum of skill is required for the low purpose of murdering the unarmed and unsuspecting. so, even though death tolls can be much higher with explosives (see OKC), the gun is still "efficient" when you consider how easy they are to obtain and use.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:31 am to Vecchio Cane
quote:
They are horrifying. Everybody gets that.
But why are they happening?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:31 am to Vecchio Cane
my mom was a single mom who raised to son's who are not mass murders and straight. it's a parenting issue not a fatherless issue.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:33 am to WB Davis
WB Davis, how powerful is the NRA?
Must be the top lobbying group in DC. At least the Top 5, since they own Congress
Must be the top lobbying group in DC. At least the Top 5, since they own Congress
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:33 am to WB Davis
Amazingly ignorant and dishonest way to spin the issue. Typical of low-IQ LW's.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:36 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
even though death tolls can be much higher with explosives (see OKC), the gun is still "efficient" when you consider how easy they are to obtain and use.
That is my point as well. There aren’t “bomb dealers” in every town and traveling “bomb shows” where you can pick up some bombs on a Saturday morning. Sure, if you are a self-study, you can learn how to chemically enhance and handle explosives, and maybe even design and build an effective bomb, but that requires time and effort. That time and effort stands as a roadblock.
But pretty much anyone can purchase an AR and a thousand rounds of ammo on short planning and be ready to go.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:38 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
think I know what you mean by "efficiency," but I suggest that you're not factoring in how easily it is to get and use a gun compared to making a bomb or chemical agent of some kind
I'll agree that the gun is more romanticized and therefore more desirable. A gun is not easier to access or use or more efficient
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:40 am to Vecchio Cane
quote:
It's something about pointing a gun at another person
No. It isn't. There are plenty of examples of psychos killing people with all kinds of non gun means in both American and global history.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 11:11 am to Vecchio Cane
Devalue the lessons boys learn from good men, check.
Place boys in front of screens glorifying violence instead of spending quality time with child, check.
Take away all discipline and accountability for their actions, check.
Allow now socially inept and very confused teen majority of their communication in an online anonymous environment with other confused and possibly mentally ill teens, with no adult supervision, check...
Place boys in front of screens glorifying violence instead of spending quality time with child, check.
Take away all discipline and accountability for their actions, check.
Allow now socially inept and very confused teen majority of their communication in an online anonymous environment with other confused and possibly mentally ill teens, with no adult supervision, check...
Posted on 8/6/19 at 11:19 am to WB Davis
Lol.
Here’s your sign.
Here’s your sign.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 11:55 am to Vecchio Cane
In what sense? Do you seriously assert that bombs are more accessible than firearms? Knives may be but they are obviously less efficient at killing.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 11:58 am to TigerRanter
quote:
No guidance, isolated lives, mental illness, a lack of self-worth, no respect for human life, and in many cases a radical ideology
All of these issues are also present in other developed countries, but they do not manifest in mass shootings like they do here
Posted on 8/6/19 at 11:58 am to TigerRanter
quote:
No guidance, isolated lives, mental illness, a lack of self-worth, no respect for human life, and in many cases a radical ideology
Bingo
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:14 pm to QuackAttack716
quote:Yeah. It's almost as if they are implicitly saying European countries do better than we do along all these vectors they seem to cherish so much. But how can that be, since we know given the lack of guns, Europeans cower under a near-total lack of freedom?
All of these issues are also present in other developed countries, but they do not manifest in mass shootings like they do here
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:19 pm to Vecchio Cane
There is no such thing as a "honest conversation" with the left wing. They rejected things like honesty, decency and honor a long time ago. You don't have conversations with them, you defeat them. By any means necessary
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:19 pm to Vecchio Cane
getting back at society in the most horrifying way is why....it has been a chain of popularity among these sickos...
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:37 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:
It’s the ‘why’ that is puzzling. But there needs to be some honest discussion as to they why.
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