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re: Leftists….”keep religion out of politics!”
Posted on 3/15/26 at 2:02 am to Azkiger
Posted on 3/15/26 at 2:02 am to Azkiger
quote:Yes. Secular Atheism has more opportunities for direct influence on public policy specially because it claims to be non-religious, whereas Christianity is formally religious by its nature, and is disqualified from having a formal say in public policy per the 1st amendment, at least how our judiciary interprets it.
Being excluded in favor of atheism?
quote:As I said, atheism can and has gained a foothold precisely because it is not hindered the way Christianity has become.
Do you think building a wall between church and state necessarily makes the government atheistic? Or are you referencing something specific?
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 2:03 am to Azkiger
quote:I’m talking about policy, too, and how it is influenced by irrational worldviews because Christianity is left out of the discussion.
Cool, cool. But we're talking about public policy, not whether religious/secular worldviews are or are not rational/coherent.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 3:00 am to FooManChoo
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Yes. Secular Atheism has more opportunities for direct influence on public policy specially because it claims to be non-religious, whereas Christianity is formally religious by its nature, and is disqualified from having a formal say in public policy per the 1st amendment, at least how our judiciary interprets it.
We've covered this. Christianity is not disqualified from having a formal say if you can back it up with reasons beyond "God said so".
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As I said, atheism can and has gained a foothold precisely because it is not hindered the way Christianity has become.
I'll rephrase the question.
If religions are excluded from governance, does that necessarily make said governance athestic? Or can governance exclude religion and still not be atheistic?
Posted on 3/15/26 at 3:02 am to FooManChoo
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I’m talking about policy, too, and how it is influenced by irrational worldviews because Christianity is left out of the discussion.
Assertions of divine inspiration are left out of the considerations of public policy, as they should be.
Public policy can line up with Christian morality if said morality has reasons to be adopted by the public outside of "We have to do this because God said so".
Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:09 am to FooManChoo
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As I said, atheism can and has gained a foothold precisely because it is not hindered the way Christianity has become.
Buddy, not subscribing to religious beliefs does not make someone religious.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:47 am to CrystalPreserves
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Buddy, not subscribing to religious beliefs does not make someone religious.
Almost all people are "religious" and everybody wants some of their moral code forced onto others via the law. That's how societies function successfully. Logically there's no difference between morality you dreamed up in your head and the morality someone believes in because of an ancient text.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:51 am to Bernie Bierman
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islam is the embodiment of nearly everything feminist’s claim to oppose. Really fascinating to observe.
Same goes for the alphabet people.
Their two biggest supporters here would be the first to go if they had their way.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:27 am to Azkiger
quote:Yes, it is. And here you just proved my point.
We've covered this. Christianity is not disqualified from having a formal say if you can back it up with reasons beyond "God said so".
You are basically saying if Christianity can just rid itself of religiosity and act secular, it will have influence.
I can give a rational argument why God exists and why we as a nation should enact certain laws and policies because God does exist, and it won’t matter how practical the benefits would be of the policies enacted, they would be disqualified as soon as I said the word “God”.
However if I remove God from the argument, I would have no rational reason for the same policies, because they would be arbitrary because they would be just my opinion, which holds no weight in the grand scheme of things.
I repeat: irrationality has a greater voice than rationality because our judiciary has decided that God has no place in the public square, while arbitrary atheism is allowed.
quote:Yes, governance that that excludes God is atheistic by its actions. There is such a thing as functional atheism.
I'll rephrase the question.
If religions are excluded from governance, does that necessarily make said governance athestic? Or can governance exclude religion and still not be atheistic?
BTW, I’m not defending religion broadly here, as there are atheistic religions, too, and I am committed to the truth of Christianity alone.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:36 am to Azkiger
quote:That is your opinion. Mine is different. I think all appeals to what ought to be are irrational if God does not exist.
Assertions of divine inspiration are left out of the considerations of public policy, as they should be.
quote:All reasons beyond “God said so” are ultimately arbitrary.
Public policy can line up with Christian morality if said morality has reasons to be adopted by the public outside of "We have to do this because God said so".
But again, that doesn’t matter. As soon as a Christian says “homosexuality should be outlawed because [insert secular arguments]…” then he will be attacked for his Christian beliefs and the arguments will be dismissed because they come from a Christian, even if he doesn’t appeal to the Bible whatsoever.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:36 am to Geekboy
Globohomo is their religion.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:42 am to CrystalPreserves
quote:As was already said, all people are religious. Not everyone aligns themselves with a formal religion.
Buddy, not subscribing to religious beliefs does not make someone religious.
However, my point was that if we consider Christianity and atheism in terms of worldview instead of religion, there is a lot that can be debated in terms of what is better for society. We can’t even have that debate because Christianity is excluded due to its religiosity while atheism is not because it isn’t formally religious. Atheistic worldviews can act the same way religious ones do, but one is allowed while the other one isn’t, because of “religion”.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:48 am to Geekboy
This type of thing is why the framework of the country needs to change. The United States was built by and for the free exercise of Christianity. Thats it. Others can live here, but if their beliefs conflict with the one Truth, they should not have a say.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:53 am to Geekboy
So ditch the Constitutional Republic which is based on “God-given Rights”?
Dems despise the idea that THEY cannot impose their DEI “Rights “ based government over that of the God-given version as defined in the Bill of Rights. We’ll soon see if the American people are willing to fight and die for their freedom as has been the norm since the founding of America. Another election with unverified ballots might be the final straw.
Any paper ballot wherein the voter’s signature, address and witness signature is not examined in public view should be disqualified. And prosecuted to the maximum for offenders. Dems will not let this happen so we move to the next scenario.
Dems despise the idea that THEY cannot impose their DEI “Rights “ based government over that of the God-given version as defined in the Bill of Rights. We’ll soon see if the American people are willing to fight and die for their freedom as has been the norm since the founding of America. Another election with unverified ballots might be the final straw.
Any paper ballot wherein the voter’s signature, address and witness signature is not examined in public view should be disqualified. And prosecuted to the maximum for offenders. Dems will not let this happen so we move to the next scenario.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:01 am to Bernie Bierman
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islam is the embodiment of nearly everything feminist’s claim to oppose. Really fascinating to observe.
Correct, but they have been trained to hate their fellow Americans, so you are the ones they want killed.
Look at how the low IQ LCD falls for the "Handmaid's Tale", for example. The story behind that is so ironic it hurts. That's how warped a progressive's mind is.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:06 am to FooManChoo
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You are basically saying if Christianity can just rid itself of religiosity and act secular, it will have influence.
Interesting you treat rational and secular as synonyms here.
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Yes, governance that that excludes God is atheistic by its actions.
So a blank sheet of paper is atheistic since God is excluded from the sheet of paper.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:12 am to FooManChoo
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That is your opinion. Mine is different.
Very good, enjoy Mamdani walking through the same door you're demanding exist for you.
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But again, that doesn’t matter. As soon as a Christian says “homosexuality should be outlawed because [insert secular arguments]…” then he will be attacked for his Christian beliefs and the arguments will be dismissed because they come from a Christian, even if he doesn’t appeal to the Bible whatsoever.
Show me your non-religious rationale as to why churches who marry homosexuality should be fined or jailed.
I don't think you've ever attempted to make this case in your life.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:13 am to FooManChoo
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As was already said, all people are religious. Not everyone aligns themselves with a formal religion.
This premise is wrong.
A lot of people are not religious yet still have what you and most normal everyday Americans would say are great character and morals.
This post was edited on 3/15/26 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:16 am to FooManChoo
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Christianity is excluded due to its religiosity while atheism is not because it isn’t formally religious.
You’re premise is wrong here too. Atheism isn’t religious - in any way.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:16 am to Bernie Bierman
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islam is the embodiment of nearly everything feminist’s claim to oppose. Really fascinating to observe.
Completely irrational.
Par for the course.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:17 am to CrystalPreserves
By the way that Allah Akbar praying shite in the mayor's office? We can't have that oh no. Where you at Boasberg? 
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