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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:53 am to ninthward
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:53 am to ninthward
quote:
it is odd he has been trying to paint the victim as the aggressor since day 1
It's his shtick.
Again, it wasn't a poor choice of words when he labeled Rittenhouse a murderer, it was an intentional use of a very particular word.
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:55 am to oogabooga68
My favorite part was when he defended himself saying he clarified it to “homicide” because it met the technical definition of a person killing another after he said he won’t call this situation a “homicide” yet 
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:56 am to ninthward
quote:By repeatedly-stating that I do not think either individual had ill-intent? OK.
it is odd he has been trying to paint the victim as the aggressor since day 1
With the POSSIBLE exception of the apparent verbal spat between Keltner and the reporter, I think that BOTH Keltner and Dolloff likely believed that each of his own decisions was reasonable and largely-defensive. The reporter may WELL have asked an incendiary question, and Keltner may WELL have over-reacted to it, but we do not yet have objective facts as to either possibility.
Reporter spouts off (perhaps).
Dolloff thinks he is defending his charge, by stepping into Keltner's path.
Keltner thinks he is protecting himself from Dolloff by hitting Dolloff.
Dolloff thinks he is defending himself Keltner by unholstering his weapon.
Keltner thinks he is defending himself from Dolloff by aiming and deploying his gas.
Dolloff thinks he is defending himself from Keltner by discharging his weapon.
I see no "bad guy" in this scenario, based upon available data. By contrast, most of you folks have predetermined that Keltner is a "hero patriot" and that Dolloff is "antifa scum" based entirely upon your preconceptions.
Such is life.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:58 am to AggieHank86
quote:
By contrast, most of you folks have predetermined that Keltner is a "hero patriot" and that Dolloff is "antifa scum" based entirely upon your preconceptions.
Such as your predetermination that Cannon Hinnant's father was a "business associate" of the piece of shite that murdered his son, based on your "years of experience" and superior intellect, amirite?
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:59 am to Tiguar
quote:
While simultaneously painting the board as bias Neanderthals
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:00 am to AggieHank86
Still waiting on your input on the statute I didn’t read in the other thread, counsel.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:01 am to AggieHank86
Grandiosity is the defining characteristic of narcissism. More than just arrogance or vanity, grandiosity is an unrealistic sense of superiority. Narcissists believe they are unique or “special” and can only be understood by other special people.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:01 am to 308
quote:Yes.
If this thing goes to a jury, does it have to be unanimous to convict?
The DA must convince the entire jury NOT ONLY of the elements of homicide BRD, but ALSO BRD that Dolloff did not believe himself to be acting in self-defense.
The difficulty lies in the second item. Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:02 am to AggieHank86
quote:
that Dolloff did not believe himself to be acting in self-defense.
Incorrect.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:02 am to AggieHank86
quote:Once again irrelevant.
By repeatedly-stating that I do not think either individual had ill-intent? OK.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:03 am to AggieHank86
No. You are defending the actions of the assailant. You have consistently made the victim the aggressor from the start. You have gone to great pains to show Dolloff to be the innocent bystander defending his client (which he was not authorized to do). There is ample evidence that Dolloff and the producer both could clearly see the incident (the fourth incident that day) as it unfolded. As the victim turned and walked away from the confrontation Dolloff placed his hands on the victim first. Period. Dolloff is then struck by the victim. The assailant then reaches for his weapon while the victim has his hands at his side and is backing up. Dolloff has already committed to lethal force at that juncture. Everything else is a moot point. And you have distorted and disregarded those facts time and time again to make the deceased the aggressor.
All for a media photo opportunity.
All for a media photo opportunity.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:03 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Dolloff thinks he is defending himself from Keltner by discharging his weapon.
he doesn't have this right when the victim is using non-lethal countermeasures and is backing away
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:06 am to AggieHank86
quote:This is why you are disingenuous. You left out: Dolloff physically contacts the victim first. This is assault and under CO law, the victim is allowed to defend himself making the slap legal.
Dolloff thinks he is defending his charge, by stepping into Keltner's path.
Keltner thinks he is protecting himself from Dolloff by hitting Dolloff.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:07 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Dolloff thinks he is defending his charge, by stepping into Keltner's path. Keltner thinks he is protecting himself from Dolloff by hitting Dolloff. Dolloff thinks he is defending himself Keltner by unholstering his weapon. Keltner thinks he is defending himself from Dolloff by aiming and deploying his gas. Dolloff thinks he is defending himself from Keltner by discharging his weapon.
Your IQ is so high that you know what others think. That must be awesome.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:07 am to roadGator
Has a full video of the incident been released yet?
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:07 am to AggieHank86
quote:Dolloff has no charge. He is not a licensed or bonded security guard under Colorado law.
Dolloff thinks he is defending his charge, by stepping into Keltner's path.
Your argument is rendered moot from that point forward.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:10 am to Wolfhound45
He shot a guy backing away from him because he was mad he got bitch slapped.
Hank will admit that one day
Hank will admit that one day
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:10 am to upgrayedd
Not to my knowledge
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:11 am to Tiguar
quote:I never said any such thing.
he said he won’t call this situation (Dolloff/Keltner?) a “homicide” yet
I will not call you a "liar," because I think it entirely possible that you have convinced yourself of this ridiculousness or that you simply cannot read and understand Standard American English.
I suspect that you refer to the following:
quote:Based upon the burden of proof on the affirmative-defense lying with the State AND the limited info now available, I HAVE expressed the opinion that the jury will PROBABLY not convict. That opinion is subject to change as the facts develop.
It is my SUBJECTIVE opinion that those two homicides (by Rittenhouse) were privileged/justified/excused (different terminology in different States) by the doctrine of self-defense. He will thus not be convicted of homicide.
In the Dolloff case, I have NOT expressed a similar opinion (that Dolloff will not be convicted based upon self-defense), because we have not yet seen a video of the entire sequence.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 11:11 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Dolloff is "antifa scum"
Dolloff was/is Antifa.
Dolloff was/is scum.
Ergo, Dolloff is Antifa scum.
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