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re: Law School Advice
Posted on 1/22/14 at 4:55 pm to tigershornets
Posted on 1/22/14 at 4:55 pm to tigershornets
i graduated in 2001. Practice in Atlanta and remotely from wherever (usually Montana). all three sessions in Greece.
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 4:56 pm to Mo Jeaux
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the OT post
is this OP guilty of "double boarding"?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 4:58 pm to TrueTiger
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I bet the pilot's association attorneys make bank.
I know a guy in Baton Rouge who represents one of the associations. He makes a nice living for himself, but nothing extravagant.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:02 pm to TrueTiger
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is this OP guilty of "double boarding"?
Yes. It's not fair, dammit. Social mores are what separate us from the animals. Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:04 pm to tigershornets
First: Don't go.
Second: If you do go, and you know for a fact that being a lawyer is what you really want to do, go to the best law school you can get into in the region you want to live in.
Third: If you do go, but you're unsure if you want to be a lawyer, go to the best law school you can get into while spending the least amount of money in the region you want to live in.
Fourth: Keep in mind that law school rank is of the utmost importance unless you go to a T14 school (e.g. Columbia, Yale, Harvard, etc.). Therefore, it behooves you to go to a school where you are comfortable and where you believe you can excel and beat the competition.
If I were you, I'd go to U of H. The Houston legal market, while flooded, is still among the best in the nation. U of H is highly respected in Texas and particularly in Houston. You won't go in to crazy debt going to school there (only living expenses) and if you do well, you can end up at a good firm making $160k right out the gate. Trust me when I say that making $160k right out the gate with little to no debt is about the most fantastic feeling on the planet.
If you want to live in Dallas, SMU may be the better choice than U of H, particularly with a scholarship that large. I'm assuming you'll still come out of there about $80k to $90k in debt, though, which should give you some pause.
I would not go to Tulane unless you got in free. That's just me. Certainly not if SMU is cheaper. Tulane has a bit more reach into other markets than some of the schools in the South, but my understanding is that SMU is the same way. If you want to stay in Louisiana, the best school is still probably LSU. Go there, kill it, walk away with no debt and make $95k to $100k immediately at one of the big firms in Louisiana.
Always keep in mind these three things:
(1) cost (debt sucks),
(2) location (where you end up working geographically will largely be dictated where, geographically, you went to school), and
(3) your ability to crush the competition (being in the top 10 at U of H will probably be better than being in the top 10 percent at SMU).
Second: If you do go, and you know for a fact that being a lawyer is what you really want to do, go to the best law school you can get into in the region you want to live in.
Third: If you do go, but you're unsure if you want to be a lawyer, go to the best law school you can get into while spending the least amount of money in the region you want to live in.
Fourth: Keep in mind that law school rank is of the utmost importance unless you go to a T14 school (e.g. Columbia, Yale, Harvard, etc.). Therefore, it behooves you to go to a school where you are comfortable and where you believe you can excel and beat the competition.
If I were you, I'd go to U of H. The Houston legal market, while flooded, is still among the best in the nation. U of H is highly respected in Texas and particularly in Houston. You won't go in to crazy debt going to school there (only living expenses) and if you do well, you can end up at a good firm making $160k right out the gate. Trust me when I say that making $160k right out the gate with little to no debt is about the most fantastic feeling on the planet.
If you want to live in Dallas, SMU may be the better choice than U of H, particularly with a scholarship that large. I'm assuming you'll still come out of there about $80k to $90k in debt, though, which should give you some pause.
I would not go to Tulane unless you got in free. That's just me. Certainly not if SMU is cheaper. Tulane has a bit more reach into other markets than some of the schools in the South, but my understanding is that SMU is the same way. If you want to stay in Louisiana, the best school is still probably LSU. Go there, kill it, walk away with no debt and make $95k to $100k immediately at one of the big firms in Louisiana.
Always keep in mind these three things:
(1) cost (debt sucks),
(2) location (where you end up working geographically will largely be dictated where, geographically, you went to school), and
(3) your ability to crush the competition (being in the top 10 at U of H will probably be better than being in the top 10 percent at SMU).
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:07 pm to McLemore
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if you plan to be on the national market, Tulane is the no-brainer of that crew. If staying in Louisiana, then LSU
this.
if practicing in NO go with Tulane although LSU won't hurt you if you have the grades.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:08 pm to tigershornets
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I'm from New Orleans; I love the city, and I love the culture. My dad's a river boat pilot, but that never peaked my interest. However, I am considering admiralty law. If I stay in Louisiana, I am leaning towards Tulane. If I head to SMU, I want to do contracts and stay more in the corporate sector. Dallas has just always really attracted me for whatever reason
my first bit of advice is to go be a river boat pilot.
If your father is paying than your choice between Tulane and LSU. If you are taking out loans, go to LSU. Even with 25K at Tulane you will pay 20K+ a year just in tuition.
If you plan an statin in state LSU is the way to go. Cheaper, and has a higher bar passage rage, because it focuses more on Louisiana Law.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:10 pm to TheLankiestLawyer
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I know a guy in Baton Rouge who represents one of the associations. He makes a nice living for himself, but nothing extravagant.
My neighbor is a pilot. He does better than most lawyers.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:21 pm to tigershornets
Nice brag thread. Sounds like you are set buddy.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:28 pm to tigershornets
I graduated from LSU and am currently in Houston....you can get to just about anywhere you want if you work hard and have high scores. Appears you may have the ability to do that.
I would skip the Loyola and Tulane. If you're interested in Houston for O&G or I-banking or M&A, etc then I would recommend UH with the full ride. You can do it at LSU too but if you're at UH you'll have more opportunities IMV.
I don't know anything about SMU except that Dallas blows...I did date an SMU cheerleader back in the day though.
I would skip the Loyola and Tulane. If you're interested in Houston for O&G or I-banking or M&A, etc then I would recommend UH with the full ride. You can do it at LSU too but if you're at UH you'll have more opportunities IMV.
I don't know anything about SMU except that Dallas blows...I did date an SMU cheerleader back in the day though.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:40 pm to LoveThatMoney
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If I were you, I'd go to U of H. The Houston legal market, while flooded, is still among the best in the nation. U of H is highly respected in Texas and particularly in Houston. You won't go in to crazy debt going to school there (only living expenses) and if you do well, you can end up at a good firm making $160k right out the gate. Trust me when I say that making $160k right out the gate with little to no debt is about the most fantastic feeling on the planet.
I second this...plus in Houston if you get tired of firm life you have more options to go in-house...you won't find that in LA.
Also you mentioned liking Dallas (do not understand) and Nola...Htown is the middle. Lot of LA folks mixed with TX, but less uptight.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:43 pm to TrueTiger
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My neighbor is a pilot. He does better than most lawyers.
troof. i would take (marry into?) that gig in a heartbeat.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:03 pm to McLemore
1. Go to Tulane;
2. Marry a wealthy jewish girl from NY;
3. Never practice law but tell everyone at parties you are an attorney;
4. Enjoy your life.
2. Marry a wealthy jewish girl from NY;
3. Never practice law but tell everyone at parties you are an attorney;
4. Enjoy your life.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:54 pm to tigershornets
Great advice from all but coming from someone with friends from all of the law schools listed and as a member of the bar of LA, NV and CA, go to medical school.
I'm serious.
I'm serious.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:16 pm to Vegas Bengal
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member of the bar of LA, NV and CA, go to medical school.
My god man do you have a full time person to keep up with the dues and CLE?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:55 pm to tigershornets
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Could someone with knowledge and experience in this area give me some insight about choosing a school?
DON'T frickING GO.
DON'T frickING GO.
Of the top 25% of the class at Tulane right now, MAYBE half of them have a job.
Let that sink in for a second, if you are one of the top kids (which you statistically aren't) you still are only 50/50 at meaningful employment.
Signed,
Shitlaw for the rest of my life.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:04 pm to sealawyer
Curious to what you'd say about my situation:
I'm about to graduate LSU with a Construction Management degree with a 3.0 average.
I'm taking the LSAT in February.
I already have a couple summer internships and am currently interning with a construction company.
I'm considering going to law school part time (night school) while starting my industrial construction career.
I already have enough money saved up for a couple semesters worth of law school at LSU or a similarly priced institution.
Is law school a waste of time or would that be a valuable asset in my field, which is prone to economic ups and downs?
I'm about to graduate LSU with a Construction Management degree with a 3.0 average.
I'm taking the LSAT in February.
I already have a couple summer internships and am currently interning with a construction company.
I'm considering going to law school part time (night school) while starting my industrial construction career.
I already have enough money saved up for a couple semesters worth of law school at LSU or a similarly priced institution.
Is law school a waste of time or would that be a valuable asset in my field, which is prone to economic ups and downs?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:06 pm to kingbob
An MBA would serve you better...and get it a few years into your career.
If you get a law degree you need to practice otherwise you're not really a lawyer and can never fall back on it if your industry goes in the shitter.
If you get a law degree you need to practice otherwise you're not really a lawyer and can never fall back on it if your industry goes in the shitter.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:09 pm to tigershornets
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I know all the ins and outs about civil code vs. common law. I was mostly looking to see if anybody had any experience with Loyola v. Tulane or leaving home v. Staying
It's been awhile since I graduated (early Pleistocene Era), but I think I'm right in saying that, unless it's paid for, Tulane isn't worth the $ unless your job search is in the Northeast, West Coast, etc. Even then I'm not so sure. If you're staying in state and the quality of education is the real issue, I'd honestly recommend LSU for the money.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:09 pm to kingbob
I know Southern has a part time program and its cheap. No one I know that has one will ever tell you a JD is a bad investment, its not. Its the making a living with it that is a soul crusher.
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