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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 7:57 am to texag7
Posted on 4/15/26 at 7:57 am to texag7
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Here’s the harsh reality.
Ukraine is cooked. Population has totally collapsed. Not counting refugees there are likely fewer than 30 million people left inside Ukraine.
Refugees are never coming back considering they are living much better lives and their homes destroyed or are now located inside New Russia.
Yay, Putin! What a great human being!!!
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Posted on 4/15/26 at 8:53 am to texag7
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Ukraine is cooked. Population has totally collapsed. Not counting refugees there are likely fewer than 30 million people left inside Ukraine.
Hungary's population is only 9.5 million. They're cooked, too.
Slovakia's population is 5.2 million. Roll up the carpet.
Poland's population is only 38 million... that places it below Ukraine at almost 39 million (according to UN estimates, I'm sure you estimate it lower)...
But Ukraine is still one of the biggest populations in Europe. What does that mean for its economy?
Well, Ukraine needs farm equipment... modern farm equipment replaces the need for human workers in harvesting wheat and other produce.
And tech sectors don't need a lot of people, they just need good people.
Germany (89 million) and Japan (123 milion) along with Russia (144 million) and China (1.41 billion) are actually the countries trending the worst as far as demographic collapses because their birth rates are almost negative and their populations are mostly older.
I'm one of the few posters on this board that does not think immigration is some apocalyptic national death sentence, and Ukraine was welcoming to immigrants before the invasion.
The historical reality, for those who know anything about history, is that tribal settlements and city-states in Europe were usually conquered by outsiders, who then assumed the identity of their new land and installed themselves as the rulers, and nowhere is that more a part of the story than Ukraine and Russia... and Stalin moved people around to obliterate local nationalist sentiments and make them only "Soviets," Russia itself has 190 different ethnic groups, and due to shifting borders over history, Ukraine is home to over 100 different nationalities (including a Korean community that has long been there) and "Ukrainians" are Austrians, Slovaks, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Belarousans, Armenians, Lithuanians... some "pure" Nationalist identity thing makes as little sense as it does trying to push it in the U.S.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:09 am to Lee B
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Hungary's population is only 9.5 million. They're cooked, too.
Slovakia's population is 5.2 million. Roll up the carpet.
What are their fertility/birth numbers? Now what are Ukraine's?
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I'm one of the few posters on this board that does not think immigration is some apocalyptic national death sentence, and Ukraine was welcoming to immigrants before the invasion.
It's not immigration itself, it's the consequences of it.
For one, the people who built a nation are who made it successful. Why would anyone think people who have never built anything and who generally have no real skills will contribute positively?
Unskilled labor is less and less necessary by the day. Why would anyone want to import millions of unskilled laborers who might not have jobs in a decade? What do you think they are going to do then?
I've said my piece on Ukraine's demographics a few times, but as a positive I will say we are entering a period for the first time in history where large populations might actually be a disadvantage in more ways than it is an advantage. We are exponentially increasing the production capacity of the individual. If you're ever going to have a population crisis, the coming decades are the time when you just might be able to navigate it somewhat successfully.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:40 am to texag7
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Here’s the harsh reality.
Ukraine is cooked. Population has totally collapsed. Not counting refugees there are likely fewer than 30 million people left inside Ukraine.
Refugees are never coming back considering they are living much better lives and their homes destroyed or are now located inside New Russia.
Jesus.
I already knew you were an angry man and possibly hated life, but I didn't realize just how bad it was.
Good luck, Ag.
You're going to need it in this world.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:47 am to Coeur du Tigre
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He's just given up on his political future. No other explanation is possible.
HIs thrown his political hat entirely in with Trump, that's why, and if you don't understand just look at this board.
His plan is based on Nixon, whom he's quoted in the past. Vance's plan is to get a hard corps group of supporters who will follow him no matter what and then grow from there. Think of the "Only Nixon could go to China" strategy.
The fact that not supporting Ukraine is, from the US standpoint, incredibly stupid (and Vance probably knows it but won't admit it) is beside the point because he's busy building his base.
So basically we have Great Value Nixon here.
Oh Joy.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/15/26 at 12:03 pm to VolSquatch
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It's not immigration itself, it's the consequences of it.
The consequences of immigration is that you get the children of immigrants, the absolute backbone of western countries - especially America - and the key to having any country in the future. Old School Republicans understood this, that on top of cheap labor you got a new crop of citizens, hungry for success and to build upon their parents gamble. The payoff of immigration takes a generation or two, but is absolute and overwhelming, but the Union Democrats and other blue collar workers who have to compete for the immediate influx of labor in order to survive don't see this.
Boys. Listen.
Historically? America's real addiction is cheap labor. You find this in debates over immigration, slavery, union battles, and now with the dropping birthrates - even billionaire businessmen are starting to ask, "who's going to work for us?" Immigration is a necessary answer to this.
Keep in mind, other countries, such as Russia, China, and others have attempted to bring in immigrants, especially racially akin immigrants, but they haven't been successful at all, especially when it comes to finding STEM workers and intellectuals needed not only to keep the population up but also the economy thriving. Open, "big-L" Liberal countries like Canada have, and while it's obviously had some issues, and they always have, it's keep them from having the same demographic collapse numbers than China, Russia, North Korea, etc have.
Sooooo, yeah, in the future, as birth numbers continue to shrink and there becomes a larger and larger competition for even just bodies, large scale immigration is going to become another version of corporations stealing talent - any talent - to stay in the fight.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 12:17 pm to Leopold
Immigration controlled properly is a good thing. Unfiltered immigration isn’t when the immigrants overwhelm society’s resources.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:13 pm to VolSquatch
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What are their fertility/birth numbers? Now what are Ukraine's?
So low that all of Europe and Russia are cooked except the Allahu Akbar parts. This is not a new trend.
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It's not immigration itself, it's the consequences of it.
Controlled is fine as long as immigrants are compatible in culture and will easily assimmilate.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:33 pm to VolSquatch
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For one, the people who built a nation are who made it successful. Why would anyone think people who have never built anything and who generally have no real skills will contribute positively?
Historically, as I mentioned, the people who built civilizations were invaded and conquered by people who had spent that time instead practicing being invaders and conquerors, who just adopted the identity of the people they rtook over... so I'm not sure your theory holds up.
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Unskilled labor is less and less necessary by the day. Why would anyone want to import millions of unskilled laborers who might not have jobs in a decade? What do you think they are going to do then?
Go somewhere else where they will be paid to do unskilled labor. As far as Mexicans, immigration got reversed... Mexicans who were coming to the U.S. for work started going back to Mexico as their economy took off after NAFTA. and a lot of the Central Americans who were headed to the US now just stop in regions of Mexico where labor is needed.
As for unskilled labor, we still need a lot of it...
New Republic: Trump Turns to Migrant Workers Amid Farm Labor Crisis
The Trump administration has finally accepted that its immigration crackdown is causing a labor crisis.
The constant chant is "AI will replace engineers and coders and Doctors, go learn how to hang sheetrock and do plumbing," isn't it? That's "skilled labor," but from what I've seen with my eyes in the last few years, there's an awful lot of immigrants who seem much more skilled at it.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:37 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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He's just given up on his political future. No other explanation is possible.
His Ukraine stance will cause 0 issues for him in a US election. He will probably get asked about it on a debate stage and all it will do is set him up for a "don't we have enough issues at home" type answer that he is usually really effective at delivering.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:40 pm to Lee B
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Historically, as I mentioned, the people who built civilizations were invaded and conquered by people who had spent that time instead practicing being invaders and conquerors, who just adopted the identity of the people they rtook over... so I'm not sure your theory holds up
This isn't one nation invading and conquering another one. This is a nation giving people from another nation long term control via demographics.
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Go somewhere else where they will be paid to do unskilled labor.
Fun theory but why leave when the next liberal government is likely going to give mass amnesty if not outright citizenship, thus making them eligible for some if not full benefits of being a citizen? Those people aren't leaving.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 3:13 pm to Leopold
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He's just given up on his political future. No other explanation is possible.
HIs thrown his political hat entirely in with Trump, that's why, and if you don't understand just look at this board.
Well, he clearly needs to stop and put some serious distance between himself and Trump.
In regards to his political future, Vance has two big problems: Trump and Rubio.
Trump doesn't like him, never did and did not pick him as his running mate. He clearly remembers the anti-Trump speeches Vance made in the run up to 2016 and only accepted him as VP because the billionaires and their campaign funds insisted on Vance.
Trump has been undermining Vance ever since the last election. Look at this last week for an example. He sends Vance to Budapest to support a candidate who is at least 20 points behind his opponent. The day before the election no less. What's he supposed to do with a 20 point gap in less than 24 hours? Well, nothing, as he wasn't sent there to succeed. This was clearly intended to be a lose / lose situation for Vance.
Then, without even getting his laundry done, Vance is sent to Pakistan of all places with no instructions and no support to negotiate with people who have absolutely no interest in negotiating anything. Again, lose / lose.
Then secondly, where is Rubio during this time? You know, the actual Secretary of State? Yeah, at a UFC match in Miami with Trump. Bromancing the MAGA diehards. Not a good look for Vance, even the MAGA crowd can see that.
And if you think Budapest and Pakistan were legitimate assignments, ask yourself where Witkoff and Kushner were. You know, the real Trump representatives for foreign affairs. Well, as each assignment was designed to fail very publically, their names were kept out of it.
Vance has one big advantage over Rubio - as VP, he can't be fired. Trump can and most likely will fire half his Cabinet in the next two plus years, but he can't fire Vance. Therefore, Vance can put some serious distance between himself and Trump without worrying about consequences. Rubio can't. Rubio has to continue kissing the ring and still may be tossed under the bus to take the blame for another major screw-up.
If Vance is going to save his career, he needs to firewall Trump and start running his 2028 campaign right now. He will inherit the MAGA vote as an anti-war candidate and Rubio will still be tied to Trumps coattails. If he's still employed.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 5:41 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Probably the worst take on the current situation possible.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:33 am to DMAN1968
Kinetic sanctions doin' work. All those projections of the extra billions Russia is making with the new Iran War prices are using last year's loading data. These kinds of constant disruptions are preventing these projections from becoming reality.
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In logistics, the problems are in the last mile.
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NATO partners stepping up.
Even if Putin finally gets Trump to pull out, none of this would change.
Even if Putin finally gets Trump to pull out, none of this would change.
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The facility is one of Russia’s key synthetic rubber producers, including specialized polymers used in tires, military equipment, and defense-related manufacturing.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:52 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 4/16/26 at 4:11 am to Coeur du Tigre
Karma is still a bitch. Everything is recorded and idiots can't resist a live microphone. Even Russian idiots...
A self-confessed war criminal takes the easy way out.
Here he's bragged about arresting and dragging to a Russian military prison a shop attendant girl in occupied Zaporizhzhia that was not careful enough and spoke Ukrainian.
His boyfriend looks like he wants a kiss.
The full story.
A self-confessed war criminal takes the easy way out.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Here he's bragged about arresting and dragging to a Russian military prison a shop attendant girl in occupied Zaporizhzhia that was not careful enough and spoke Ukrainian.
His boyfriend looks like he wants a kiss.
The full story.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 4:27 am to Coeur du Tigre
Good news but how it's delivered is interesting. Why did Bessent attend this press conference? Allowing the waiver to expire is a pretty simple statement, no need for expert explanation.
Be careful Scott, you may be next.
Be careful Scott, you may be next.
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