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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:53 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 8:53 am to
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6,000,000,000 / x = 140,000,000. You do understand the $50 is cost of the crude to extract and get to a port.

Try harder, you keep failing to impress anyone with your comments.

Once again, that isn't the point. All of your denial and weak deflection isn't going to make that go away.

That $6 billion into the Russian war effort is a gift from Trump. Totally unnecessary, unless of course you're being blackmailed with the Epstein files.

This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 8:55 am
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:12 am to
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Russia is Russia. They aren't European.


European cultures and civilizations are one thing.
European political structures are another thing.
Geographically there is only one Europe.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:15 am to
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That $6 billion into the Russian war effort is a gift from Trump. Totally unnecessary, unless of course you're being blackmailed with the Epstein files.


Wrong. The revenues minus the cost of doing business is what Russia is gaining.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:13 am to
Barstow is meth country. Just sayin...
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:54 pm to
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Yes, Putin does have a reason to lie about it just like Hitler had a reason to tell Germans they were a Master Race.


Right. Just like Dugan and his ilk lie about the Russians being a 'special people with a destiny.' You're right in that comparison, and that they llie to themselves and other people.

But that leads to them being honest about the wars both the Nazi's and the Russian's are fighting right now. They've got no reason to lie about that, that they are fighting because they think their special and specifically different from the Europeans.

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So, Russia is not located on any continent? Is that your belief?

Does that include the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad which is located on the Baltic Sea between Poland and Lithuania and doesn’t touch the rest of Russia?


No, I believe Russia covers two continents, which it does.

Siberia isn't European.
Vladivostok isn't European.
Chechnya isn't European.
Torsk, Novosibirsk, and the other millions of square miles and tens of millions of Russians who occupy the land that is a continent away from Europe don't qualify as European, but they sure do as Russian.

It's fine by me to consider, say, Moscow or St. Petersburg European but Russia not European, especially considering the mix of nationalities ever since the fall of the USSR. But Russia, as a whole, isn't European, and again, their own leadership is openly fighting against Western influence.

Kaliningrad may legally be Russian now but historically it's a mix. And there's strong indication that the current residents don't want to be a part of Russia and don't consider themselves Russian but Baltic and European, so again, a difference is drawn, but that's a mixed bag, too. We'll just have to see how that one plays out.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:03 pm to
The London Economic: Donald Trump says he’s considering pulling US out of Nato
Trump said taking the US out of the alliance was now “beyond reconsideration”.

Donald Trump is “strongly considering” pulling the US out of NATO over the lack of support he is getting in his war with Iran.

Speaking in an interview with The Telegraph, Trump described the alliance as a “paper tiger” and claimed that the decision to remove America from NATO was now “beyond reconsideration”.

Trump went on to claim that Putin thinks the same thing about Nato as he does.

“I was never swayed by NATO,” I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he continued.


He can't do this without Congress, of course... just like all of the other stuff the courts are halting at the moment... but he can do enough damage while it works its way through the court system.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:33 pm to
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“I was never swayed by NATO,” I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” he continued.


We are the major player in NATO right now.
Are we a paper Tiger?
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 1:35 pm to
Two observations - firstly, he is naming specific targets in Moscow, initiating the narrative that Moscow will be targeted by these missiles later this year; and secondly, we should soon see a campaign to clear the air defense units protecting this city. Just as for Crimea, Krasnodor Krai and Leningrad, a new corridor of undefended air space will be soon established to Moscow itself.

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Shtilerman said Ukraine is developing a ballistic missile (FP-9) with up to 850 km range, it is expected ready by mid-2026, and stated 20-30 of them should be launched at Moscow and targets like the Russian General Staff headquarters, Ministry of Defense and the Moscow Oil Refinery.

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:04 pm to
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Trump threatens to halt arms supplies to Ukraine if Europe does not join the coalition in the Strait of Hormuz — FT.

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:12 pm to
I figured this was coming... note that Europe is buying these weapons, so once again he's proving that depending on the US is problematic because his policy whims will override agreements, which is not a position you want to be in for defense contracts.

I'm also waiting for him to push Musk to turn off Starlink for Ukraine at some point...
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 2:16 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:23 pm to
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We are the major player in NATO right now.
Are we a paper Tiger?


If one automatically meant the other is true then we shouldn't be in NATO at all. One nation should not determine the strength of an alliance. It's not healthy for the host (us) and it's not healthy for the parasite (Europe).

I think we should bring Europe to heel in some ways, but we can do that without leaving NATO.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:40 pm to
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One nation should not determine the strength of an alliance.


It has always been this way. US and our allies versus Russia and their allies ( the Warsaw Pact).

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It's not healthy for the host (us) and it's not healthy for the parasite (Europe).


It’s worked great. For the most part it’s kept the peace and we have prospered.

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I think we should bring Europe to heel in some ways, but we can do that without leaving NATO.


Trump has already gotten them to boost their defense spending which was sorely needed. He also got them to ramp up support to Ukraine.

So I was thinking Trump had already gotten Europe to bend the knee.

Now we have Iran. Apparently Trump went to war thinking NATO would follow and didn’t realize he needed to sell them on the mission. Let’s see if Trump fixes this fast.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:01 pm to
I think that the Administration's plan here is to gain some type of concessions from the Europeans by applying maximum pressure on them.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:22 pm to
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I think that the Administration's plan here is to gain some type of concessions from the Europeans by applying maximum pressure on them.


Apparently, he believed there’s more juice to squeeze.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:24 pm to
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It has always been this way. US and our allies versus Russia and their allies ( the Warsaw Pact).



That wasn't healthy either

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It’s worked great. For the most part it’s kept the peace and we have prospered.


It's helped avoid a big war. Us and Russia for the most part have done whatever we wanted to outside of fighting each other. But I don't believe NATO is the only way we could have avoided a larger war.

I was more referring to the power dynamics of the alliance and how they make people behave. Up until yesterday (in terms of NATO's existence, not literally yesterday) you had countries exploiting us by taking our security guarantees but not spending themselves. Them getting their act together now doesn't just undo decades of that. And then on the flip side we have used our position as a whip to keep countries in line at times (such as right now) and that ultimately does us no favors if we don't stay vigilant and try to keep our pole position.

I guess a TLDR is that us and Europe have gotten fat and happy with the current setup. Doesn't mean we throw it out, but we have to reexamine it.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:04 pm to
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That $6 billion into the Russian war effort is a gift from Trump. Totally unnecessary, unless of course you're being blackmailed with the Epstein files.


Hanging around DU and drinking in the mediots of the MSM has serious side effects.

Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:27 pm to
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Kaliningrad may legally be Russian now but historically it's a mix. And there's strong indication that the current residents don't want to be a part of Russia and don't consider themselves Russian but Baltic and European, so again, a difference is drawn, but that's a mixed bag, too. We'll just have to see how that one plays out.


Neither the Baltic States, when they became independent, nor Poland wanted that territory due overwhelmingly Russian. Thus, it remained Russian. The Prussians were all removed
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:17 pm to
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And there's strong indication that the current residents don't want to be a part of Russia and don't consider themselves Russian
bullshite!

When I worked in Moscow several Russians I came in contact with were from Kaliningrad and were working in Moscow on temporary assignments.

They gave zero indication they didn't consider themselves to be Russian.

In fact, one of the ladies from Kaliningrad was perhaps the most fanatical Russian nationalist I met in the 3 1/2 years I worked in Russia.

You've lost all credibility. You just make shite up.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 9:00 pm to
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Geographically there is only one Europe.


Muh urinal mountain
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 9:04 pm to
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Coeur du Tigre


I had forgotten how stupid this thread is.
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