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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:58 pm to
How wrong the Russian pundits were in January 2022.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:16 am to
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Small river tanker for finished product delivery. But it was there and the drone was there...
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:17 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:20 am to
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Ukrainian drones struck „Tolyatti Azot“, a chemical plant in Tolyatti, Samara Region, in Russia. The plant is burning and the fire can be seen from afar.

Tolyatti Azot is one of the largest chemical plants in Russia and one of the world's largest ammonia producers. Its main products include ammonia, methanol and other nitrogen-based chemicals. The production capacity for ammonia is approximately 3 million tons per year, making the enterprise strategically important for the Russian chemical industry.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:28 am to
Germany is waking up and they smell the coffee. But first, the rules must be in place. Some things never change.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:19 am to
China doesn't want to be paid in crude oil any longer, even at these prices. The new maps should be available from the printers soon.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:54 am to
Not the ideal vehicle but no one wanted to use the bomb which were the new voting rules. A unified front is the better way and in this manner Belgium and Italy are on board. And Ukraine gets their €90 billion, the important part.

The loans will be repaid through post war purchases of oil and gas from the former Russia. Payments will not go to Moscow but to the International Claims Commission in The Hague (not in Brussels...). There the sellers of the oil and gas, whatever they will call themselves at that stage, will get a single digit percent while the rest goes to repayment of the loans and the rebuilding of Ukraine.

So, Russia pays for everything. Now and forever.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:12 am to
Some clarity on the US position on the frozen Ru assets -

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US removes references to seized funds from new draft of proposal to end Ukraine war. Russia will not be handed back $300bn (£224bn) in frozen assets under the terms of the latest US proposal to end the war in Ukraine.

Friedrich Merz, the German chancellor, is understood to have lobbied Donald Trump, the US president, to remove plans to use assets frozen in Europe from a potential peace deal. European officials said such a clause could not be included because the assets were under the control of governments on the Continent and not Washington.

The latest draft of the peace proposal contained no reference to the future of the frozen assets, sources familiar with the document told The Telegraph.

The original 28-point US-led plan, which Kyiv and Europe argued was tilted in Moscow’s favour, called for $100bn of Russia’s frozen assets to be poured into reconstruction projects that would generate profits for American companies. Under the proposals, the remaining majority of the assets would be earmarked for a separate pot to fund joint Russian and American projects.

Ukraine believes Russia has heavily invested in attempting to stop the EU from agreeing to use frozen assets to fund Ukraine, including threatening staff at Belgium-based Euroclear. A source attributed recent reports claiming Mr Trump opposed the plan [to use the frozen Ru assets] to a Russian disinformation campaign channelled through Steve Witkoff, the US president’s peace envoy. The official added that, on the contrary, Scott Bessent, the US treasury secretary, had told Yulia Svyrydenko, Ukraine’s prime minister, during a meeting on Dec 9 that he [Trump] approved of the scheme.



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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 6:53 am to
Vol sometimes talks about trends, and he is correct that there is a trend of Russia consistently hitting its recruitment targets and replenishing its ranks, while Ukraine struggles and fails in this regard and thus sees its defensive lines continually thinning.

This is obviously a grave concern for Ukraine. They are trying to compensate by "patrolling with drones," but that isn't the same thing, and it's a trend that's ultimately unsustainable.

On the other hand, the trend that is happening to the Russian oil export market is also unsustainable. President Trump's tariffs have managed to tank the US economy, and I saw gas for $1.99 this morning on my way to work. The low prices, combined with the sanctions on Russian oil, mean that Russia simply will not be able to finance this war much longer. And now, with Ukraine taking out these tankers, I just don't know what Russia is going to be able to do about it.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 8:33 am to
Could be related to the tanker hit in the Mediterranean. If confirmed, Holy shite...

Worst of the Worst.


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Posted by dagrippa
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 8:46 am to
Seems far fetched to be a drone killing. More likely he was murdered by Russians for some typically corrupt reason. That is if any of it is true.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 8:49 am to
In China, the balloons are floating - As we said, the new maps will be released from the printers soon.

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Chinese media discuss the division of Russia. Openly.

Yesterday, on NetEase - one of the largest Chinese media platforms - a text with the headline: "If Russia collapses, 7 million square kilometers cannot be lost" was published.

It's about the Far East. And this is not an analysis - it's an instruction.

Key theses:

The Far East is a "chicken rib" for Russia, but a "treasure" for China.

There are less than 50 thousand military personnel left in the Far East - a "empty shell".

Russia's GDP is "smaller than one Chinese province".

It's impossible to take it by force - it will be like with Crimea. It's necessary to "support pro-Chinese forces" and "tie them with loans".

The goal: "nominally independent, but practically dependent on China". Direct quote: "Whose land is it? It's just a name - the vital arteries are in our hands".

While Kremlin propaganda talks about "great friendship", Chinese media calmly discuss how to take over a third of Russian territory "when the political landscape changes". Friendship is friendship, but seven million square kilometers - separately.

Next: Haishenwa? You may know this Chinese city russia stole from China and now calls it Vladivostok. It will be taken back at some point - now seems a good time to do it!





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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:10 am to
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The body of Russian Colonel General Sergei Kuzovlev, commander of the Western group of forces was discovered by his wife on the afternoon of December 17. He was the commander that falsely reported to Putin that Kupyansk was taken by Russian troops and was then awarded as a "Hero of Russia", only to see Zelensky personally visit the town shortly afterwards.





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'This is the most Russian thing I've read all day.'

Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:26 am to
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Vol sometimes talks about trends, and he is correct that there is a trend of Russia consistently hitting its recruitment targets and replenishing its ranks, while Ukraine struggles and fails in this regard and thus sees its defensive lines continually thinning.


Yes, Ukraine is having a much tougher time filling its ranks, but per articles I’ve read Russia is also falling short. No, not as much but they are struggling too

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On the other hand, the trend that is happening to the Russian oil export market is also unsustainable.


This is true. Russia is nibbling away at “free Ukraine” but at a mighty cost. I don’t believe it’s sustainable . I believe Ukraine can make Russia pay to the point that something has to change. Russia has to accept terms or Putin is removed, but Russia is in trouble if this continues.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 9:31 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:26 am to
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:35 am to
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If this turns out to be true, what does it say about the state of the Russian offensive?


The same thing that's been said by numerous people for almost three years now - the Russian offensive is inept, incompetent, and going nowhere and more to the point won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:09 pm to
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This is true. Russia is nibbling away at “free Ukraine” but at a mighty cost. I don’t believe it’s sustainable . I believe Ukraine can make Russia pay to the point that something has to change. Russia has to accept terms or Putin is removed, but Russia is in trouble if this continues


The logic on both sides of the discussion is sound. It's just about which you believe will cause operational failures that result in capitulation or collapse first... Ukraine's manpower or Russia's money.
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:47 pm to
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Ukrainian kamikaze drone moments before hitting a Russian Rubin-class patrol boat.

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Posted by ArkyFan
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:01 pm to
I'm shocked that Russia hasn't been able to come up with any way to defend their navy.

Ukraine is dominating Russia's navy without having a functioning navy of their own...who would have ever imagined this.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:17 pm to
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The logic on both sides of the discussion is sound. It's just about which you believe will cause operational failures that result in capitulation or collapse first... Ukraine's manpower or Russia's money.


Or it could break both ways.

Yes, Ukraine gets desperate for troops, but Russia can’t provide necessary resources to take full advantage.

They could end up like two worn out boxers trying to hurt the other guy in the 15th tound.
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