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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:30 am to doubleb
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:30 am to doubleb
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Trump isn’t stupid, he tried the high road with Putin to give him an off ramp. Putin refused to take it. Now the only option is to aid Ukraine and enforce sanctions.
If he’s not stupid, then why’d it take him this long to come around to the reality of the situation? Many people were saying for months to him that you can’t give him an off ramp, you can’t appease him, he’s only going to play you, and it turns out those people were right and Trump was wrong. This entire conflict for the first 6 months of his presidency, have made him look very stupid and foolish IMO. He can turn it all around, but his foolishness caused this war to go on for 6 months longer than it needed to be. The clock is ticking. There are no room for errors here.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:36 am to Coeur du Tigre
So while we are working on a master plan of tariffs, Graham wants to introduce a bill of sanctions to trading partners to screw the whole thing up so he and zelensky can keep spliting the kickback money. Nice, any idiot can see through that scam.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:40 am to cypher
I love these reports on how all the Russian drones were shot down.......followed by dozens of pictures of burning manufacturing facilities with claims of innocent victims.
If they shot them all down why did they strike their targets.
And if they jammed their targeting.......dont you think the armed drone falls somewhere?
But hey, ukraine bombed a toaster factory.
zelensky has to come to the table and stop this nonsense. His rhetoric about peace and then demanding Russia withdraw, pay reparations, and have NATO defend them is ignorant......and you see Russia's response. Until he is serious, he will continue to lose territory. 86% of ukranians are for leaving the lines as are and calling it a day. zelensky keep your blood money and let your people go you dictator.
If they shot them all down why did they strike their targets.
And if they jammed their targeting.......dont you think the armed drone falls somewhere?
But hey, ukraine bombed a toaster factory.
zelensky has to come to the table and stop this nonsense. His rhetoric about peace and then demanding Russia withdraw, pay reparations, and have NATO defend them is ignorant......and you see Russia's response. Until he is serious, he will continue to lose territory. 86% of ukranians are for leaving the lines as are and calling it a day. zelensky keep your blood money and let your people go you dictator.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:47 am to trinidadtiger
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I love these reports on how all the Russian drones were shot down....
Sir that’s inaccurate:
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Ukrainian air defenses shot down 296 drones and all seven cruise missiles, while 415 drones disappeared from radars, according to the statement. "Most of the targets were shot down. Our interceptor drones were used – dozens of (Russian) targets were downed, and we are scaling up this technology," President Volodymyr Zelensky said on X.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:53 am to cypher
Volodymyr Zelenskyy /
@ZelenskyyUa
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A new massive Russian attack on our cities. It was the highest number of aerial targets in a single day: 741 targets – 728 drones of various types, including over 300 shaheds, and 13 missiles – Kinzhals and Iskanders. Most of the targets were shot down. Our interceptor drones were used – dozens of enemy targets were downed, and we are scaling up this technology. Mobile fire groups were also active – they downed dozens as well. I thank all our warriors for their precision.
At the moment, efforts are ongoing across many regions of Ukraine to eliminate the consequences of last night’s Russian attack. The main strike targeted Lutsk. Damage has also been reported in the Dnipro, Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Kirovohrad, Mykolaiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, Khmelnytskyi, Cherkasy, and Chernihiv regions.
This is a telling attack – and it comes precisely at a time when so many efforts have been made to achieve peace, to establish a ceasefire, and yet only Russia continues to rebuff them all. This is yet another proof of the need for sanctions – biting sanctions against oil, which has been fueling Moscow’s war machine with money for over three years of the war. Secondary sanctions on those who buy this oil and thereby sponsor killings. Our partners know how to apply pressure in a way that will force Russia to think about ending the war, not launching new strikes. Everyone who wants peace must act.
@ZelenskyyUa
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7h
A new massive Russian attack on our cities. It was the highest number of aerial targets in a single day: 741 targets – 728 drones of various types, including over 300 shaheds, and 13 missiles – Kinzhals and Iskanders. Most of the targets were shot down. Our interceptor drones were used – dozens of enemy targets were downed, and we are scaling up this technology. Mobile fire groups were also active – they downed dozens as well. I thank all our warriors for their precision.
At the moment, efforts are ongoing across many regions of Ukraine to eliminate the consequences of last night’s Russian attack. The main strike targeted Lutsk. Damage has also been reported in the Dnipro, Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Kirovohrad, Mykolaiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, Khmelnytskyi, Cherkasy, and Chernihiv regions.
This is a telling attack – and it comes precisely at a time when so many efforts have been made to achieve peace, to establish a ceasefire, and yet only Russia continues to rebuff them all. This is yet another proof of the need for sanctions – biting sanctions against oil, which has been fueling Moscow’s war machine with money for over three years of the war. Secondary sanctions on those who buy this oil and thereby sponsor killings. Our partners know how to apply pressure in a way that will force Russia to think about ending the war, not launching new strikes. Everyone who wants peace must act.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:57 am to sta4ever
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but his foolishness caused this war to go on for 6 months longer than it needed to be.
What an idiotic statement.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:11 am to sta4ever
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If he’s not stupid, then why’d it take him this long to come around to the reality of the situation?
Obviously this is speculation...
.. IMO.. Trump strikes me as the kind of person that thinks he's relationship with Putin historically gives him insights and in-roads that are deeper and more profound than analysts and state dept. employees regarding Putin... It seems Trump is beginning to grasp the fact his perspective was flawed, limited, and wrong given the context of world events...
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:32 am to doubleb
Thanks doubleb you are just enforcing what I just said.
Your post talks about eliminating virtually all the drones, and the next post is........
How can there be damage if all the drones were eliminated???
It makes about as much sense as ukraine telling the world they have set up production to produce 1000s of drones and ballistic missles..........yet Russia only targets civilians and doesnt bother to take out these plants????
According to ukraine they have not lost one soldier its all civilians.
Your post talks about eliminating virtually all the drones, and the next post is........
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The main strike targeted Lutsk. Damage has also been reported in the Dnipro, Zhytomyr, Kyiv, Kirovohrad, Mykolaiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, Khmelnytskyi, Cherkasy, and Chernihiv regions.
How can there be damage if all the drones were eliminated???
It makes about as much sense as ukraine telling the world they have set up production to produce 1000s of drones and ballistic missles..........yet Russia only targets civilians and doesnt bother to take out these plants????
According to ukraine they have not lost one soldier its all civilians.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:41 am to klrstix
Watching closely, no one should think they can read Trump. He can schmooze with the best then the knife to the belly. He can threaten then be the best friend. He got what he wanted from NATO now he likes NATO.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:43 am to CitizenK
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Watching closely, no one should think they can read Trump.
While I make no claim to "read" him.. its clear the "sound bite" Trump and the "behind closed doors" Trump are two different animals...
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:46 am to trinidadtiger
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According to ukraine they have not lost one soldier its all civilians.
Link please because this is absurd. According to all accounts Ukraine has lost thousands of soldiers.
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Thanks doubleb you are just enforcing what I just said.
I read Cypher’s post and it never said all missiles or drones were shot down.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:48 am to klrstix
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While I make no claim to "read" him.. its clear the "sound bite" Trump and the "behind closed doors" Trump are two different animals..
Soundbites and media quotes are useless in thinking what he intends. He always leaves a reason to do something different.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:01 am to Coeur du Tigre
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There's a reason they did this 'behind the scenes'. The initial reason for this bill was to bypass the WH / override any veto and apply real sanctions on the countries supplying Russia, directly (Chinese war material) or indirectly (purchasing oil and gas).
It turned out to be nothing but a publicity play by Graham. Peak cowardness in DC.
Yeah, that's why I included that part... I don't trust it.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:10 am to GeauxBurrow312
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Too many anarcho-capitalists somehow came to believe POTUS was isolationist. POTUS armed Ukraine before Russia invaded - when the democrats did not want to. Like with Iran, it’s not a “backstab” that he is not an isolationist. He never campaigned on or claimed to be one.
Actual ancaps in a philosophical sense are open borders idiots, so IDK about this.
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A lot of the Ukraine Bros seem to believe that it will get better once Putin dies. Say that happens in the next year or two, before Russia is able to fully capitulate Ukraine, and Russia descends into chaos from how hyper militarized and militia based it’s become. How is that a win for the US? The US now has to worry about monitoring thousands of nuclear bombs from falling onto the black market. Good for Ukraine, sure, not good for the US (or anyone else in the world).
This is something I talked about fairly often in the old thread.
To reference a South Park episode, the authorities spent all this time chasing and trying to stop "Mexican Joker", who actually didn't even exist yet. In their pursuit, they created the actual "Mexican Joker" because of the conditions they created trying to stop him when he didn't actually exist.
Putin obviously exists and is a morally bankrupt murderer in his own right, but I liken him as closer to a gangster thug than a supervillain. Its completely possible that we will end up creating a supervillain that comes after Putin. Its also possible that Russia fractures and we have nukes in the hands of groups who seek power but are too dumb to really understand what they are dealing with (like Chechens) and/or some of the radical Islamic factions within Russia.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:18 am to trinidadtiger
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So while we are working on a master plan of tariffs,
Salon (via YahooNews): Trump’s tariff talk is all for “show,” insiders admit
An anonymous Trump insider who spoke to Politico said the entire tariff conversation was a farce and that Trump would push back the deadline as many times as he needed to to save face.
“Trump knows the most interesting part of his presidency is the tariff conversation,” they shared. “I find it hard to believe he’s going to surrender it that easily. It’s all fake. There’s no deadline. It’s a self-imposed landmark in this theatrical show, and that’s where we are.”
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:29 am to VolSquatch
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Putin obviously exists and is a morally bankrupt murderer in his own right, but I liken him as closer to a gangster thug than a supervillain
Yes, he’s a bad guy.
But you are right a severely weakened Russia leaving a vacuum hurts world stability and really helps China.
In a perfect world a democratic replacement for Putin would emerge and Russia could move more towards the West for help. Russia would get along with Europe, trade could flourish and the West and Russia could work together.
But Russia hasn’t been able to get there. They are inherently built to follow dictators or kings. Putin is just the latest.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:56 am to klrstix
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Obviously this is speculation...
.. IMO.. Trump strikes me as the kind of person that thinks he's relationship with Putin historically gives him insights and in-roads that are deeper and more profound than analysts and state dept. employees regarding Putin... It seems Trump is beginning to grasp the fact his perspective was flawed, limited, and wrong given the context of world events...
He views the world as a series of business transactions and "deals."
The big problem with this is that he always thinks money is the sole motivator of foreign leaders.
His pitch to Kim in North Korea was that video that pushed "if you stop acting like a lunatic, we can do deals and you can get factories and hotels and make a lot of money!" Besides that being just cringe as an official US government presentation... he fails to understand that Kim is the richest person in his own country/world: nobody else owns anything, everything belongs to him. Why would he screw that up by inviting foreign investors in who would want to make decisions... he controls it all, he's happy. Everybody else is starving, only his residence has lights on after dark, he gets whatever he wants.
And everything in Russia belongs to Putin. Other people there only have what he allows them to have (if he allows them not to be thrown out of a window). Russia was making a fortune on selling Natural Gas and Oil... he screwed that because he - among the usual Russian leader paranoia about being invaded - he doesn't want Ukraine joining the EU and prospering, which would kick off resentment across the Russia sphere of influence and internally at the corruption... and then he would not be able to hoard the wealth to himself.
I remember a theme of Trump's campaign being "he can't be bought off because he's a billionaire, already." I think his finances were exaggerated, he has done some very ethically dubious things using the office to enrich himself... and apparently he was in money trouble after he left office.
But if there one ruble left in all of Russia, who does it belong to?
And yes, he thinks these leaders personally like and respect him as an equal... Putin is definitely doing little things to signal that isn't true. We'll see how much Trump notices.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:57 am to CitizenK
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He got what he wanted from NATO now he likes NATO.
He was losing power over NATO... so now he wants to make sure he's still in charge.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:58 am to CitizenK
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Soundbites and media quotes are useless in thinking what he intends. He always leaves a reason to do something different.
In any other scenario this person would be considered unreliable and a flake.
Here it's genius!?!
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:15 pm to Lee B
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I think his finances were exaggerated, he has done some very ethically dubious things using the office to enrich himself... and apparently he was in money trouble after he left office.
All of this is made up bullshite.
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