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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:12 pm to
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Insanity that Russia just might resort to. They are very good at it these days.


Russia might prefer Chinese made to Russian made.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:27 pm to
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I'm talking large centrifugal compressors for chemical plants, in the 14,000 BHP to 35,000 BHP range. Try ordering one with less than a 2 year delivery.


Typically, makeup hydrogen compressors are multi stage reciprocating, with nitrogen purging, Per API standards, temperature cannot exceed 300 deg F at any stage. Recycle compressors are centrifugal. Dresser Rand HHE models or Ariels are preferred for makeup though Germany does make a compressor similar to HHE. I have seen Cooper JM models in older plants.

I've seen one Italian made recip which was a POS though Nuovo Pignone is the "Cadillac" for hyper compressors. The low cost Italian one was for a Cypriot (Russian) subsidiary demonstration plant near Houston. It crashed after an hour of use with 2 of 3 rods breaking.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:35 pm to
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I'm talking large centrifugal compressors for chemical plants, in the 14,000 BHP to 35,000 BHP range. Try ordering one with less than a 2 year delivery.


We ordered some for Exxon Baytown a year ago and it took 14 weeks to get them on site. Try again dillwad.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42781 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:41 pm to
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We ordered some for Exxon Baytown a year ago and it took 14 weeks to get them on site. Try again dillwad.



How quick could you get one if you ordered it today?

Fwiw, take ya’ll pissing contest to the oil board.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 3:47 pm to
With those hydrocracker reactors you ordered from the OEMs on the Houston Ship Channel?

Sure you did.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 4:01 pm to
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Typically, makeup hydrogen compressors are multi stage reciprocating


I've seen a few, usually really small compared to the main process compressors. And it's always 50/50 if they will be working. Hydrogen compression is a difficult service because of the extremely low molecular weight. And often it is not all that critical to the plant being able to operate. But without it the plant operation life is reduced. How much depends on the feedstock; maybe minor, maybe a big deal.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16174 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 4:09 pm to
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How quick could you get one if you ordered it today?


He doesn't know the difference between compressor types. An air compressor maybe, a hydrogen compressor for a hydrogen consuming refining process whether isomerization, desulfurization or hydrocracking. These are more specialized with safety features because hydrogen is quite explosive.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16174 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:01 pm to
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I've seen a few, usually really small compared to the main process compressors. And it's always 50/50 if they will be working. Hydrogen compression is a difficult service because of the extremely low molecular weight. And often it is not all that critical to the plant being able to operate. But without it the plant operation life is reduced. How much depends on the feedstock; maybe minor, maybe a big deal.


You cannot remove sulfur compounds from refined products without hydrogen. You cannot reform naphtha without removing sulfur compounds first, otherwise the sulfur will poison the catalyst. There is little to no midgrade or premium gasoline without naphtha reforming or isomerization (which requires hydrogen) You might get high enough octane rating for regular gasoline, but that is in doubt This is why TEL was used back in the day
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:22 pm to
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All of these are good points, but there's one thing that that hasn't been discussed yet that not only led to the invasion in the first place but adds to their current motivation, and that's Russia's enormous geographic borders.

Russia has the largest borders of any country in the world and it's been that way for centuries. It's led to the numerous invasions that they've had to fight off and was what Catherine the Great meant by 'I have no way to defend my borders but to extend them.' This means that Russia must push out to naturally geographically defensible positions where they can simply place a few military bases in defensive holes, in places like the Bessarabian gap in Moldovia, the Baltics, and other places that lay outside of Russia. In fact, the only time the Russians did have control over these vital gaps is during the Soviet times when the Soviet Union's size combined withe it's control over the Warsaw Pact countries ensured nobody was going to invade. It's more than just a land grab, it's a genuine security risk that anyone who knows Russia sees, and the Russian leaders understand this.

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I've discussed this all here dozens of times over the past couple of years. I've posted numerous vids explaining it. Most people refuse to believe it. It is their historical national obsession.

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3970 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:28 pm to
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Pentagon has quietly barred Ukrainian long-range strikes in Russia with US missiles, WSJ reports


Did Hegseth work under Biden?
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:52 pm to
Agreed on sulfur removal and hydrogen being needed. I've just been in a different world with low sulfur feedstock and hydrogen available at high pressure, so hydrogen compression is rarely needed.

But back on track - Russia has a BIG problem with the Flamingo drones and others coming into production. Russia is running out of sites that they can think of to attack with missiles (well, I guess there are retirement homes and hospitals left). At the same time the Russian air defenses have been seriously degraded and Ukraine is only going to increasingly fire long range missiles into Russian refineries and defense plants, and anything else they feel like. It's always been hard for attacking armies to defeat Russia because of the huge size. But that also makes it very hard to defend everything. Ukraine just has to outlast the Russian will to fight. That scenario has been seen many times.

To which let me add this timely Perun podcast that just came out. I've not watched it yet but Perun is always worthwhile.


This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 6:04 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:11 pm to
I watched it earlier and it is correct that long term cost to Russia is devastating
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:26 pm to
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I watched it earlier and it is correct that long term cost to Russia is devastating


Putin has bit of more than he can chew and fumbled Russia's greatest assets in the process. He could have been the great trade center between the East and West, but he chose a bungled war instead.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4660 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:37 am to
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Putin has bit of more than he can chew and fumbled Russia's greatest assets in the process. He could have been the great trade center between the East and West, but he chose a bungled war instead.

Psychopaths can't change their spots... thus the confusing actions of Putin, who can seem to be the smartest guy in the room on one issue and a complete rockhead on another issue.

Psychopathy is a mental disorder and like all mental disorders does substantial long term harm to the afflicted. As they have no capacity for empathy, they make great criminals. But for the same reason, because they can't experience empathy, they can't understand it in others. As empathy is a main driver of human behavior, this causes no end of problems in their lives. However, most psychopaths learn how to fake empathy, thus we see Putin talking about ceasefires and peace agreements.

But without therapy and controls, the criminal behavior is dominant. This is why for recruitment purposes, the Russian security services over the years sifted through the population looking for them. In the Stalin years, the Kremlin quickly discovered the kind of work the NKVD was expected to do could not be done by anyone that was not suffering from some level of psychopathy. Thus, as a young person Putin was not the most intelligent recruit, as proven by his later problems with the German language, but that was secondary to what his psychological tests revealed. These showed them he was exactly what they were looking for.

So the kind of cooperative thinking that it would take to develop Russia as a great trade center between the East and West does not exist with Putin and his fellow security services recruitees. Their sole business concept is a gun-to-the-head monopoly. In their thinking, any agreement that is beneficial to all parties is not an option because they don't understand it.

That's why in 2021-22 we saw the Gazprom-controlled underground gas storage sites in Germany and Austria emptied while at the same time the gas prices from the Nordstreams were going up. That illustrates what Russians conceive as intelligence on Putin's part. Then the other side of psychopathy appears - he invades Ukraine. And here we are.






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This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 6:48 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:56 am to
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The jet powered UAV's are showing up on Russian tracking displays. We know what that means.




Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 5:07 am to
Evidently it was, but the Marketing Dept. took its place.


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Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom ·

Look, VP is an educated man, and he knows how WW II ended. But "Ukraine must negotiate with Putin" is the new party line, so he says what he must.

But what his comment reveals is how stupid he thinks the GOP base is, and how much he holds them in contempt.
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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 5:21 am to
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Klingbiel is the leader of the SPD, the opposition party in Germany. Strong words coming from someone whose job is to criticize everything Merz does.

And there's this in the comments section, I can't resist -

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But we won't give you the Taurus missiles.
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They no longer need a missile with a 550km range, especially as withholding this weapon opened the door politically for far more important military support from Germany.


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:24 am to
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He could have been the great trade center between the East and West, but he chose a bungled war instead.



I don't know about this. I think the historical distrust of Russia by basically the entire west is too much to overcome. But that distrust exists because historically you haven't been able to trust Russia.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16174 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:05 am to
The West PAID for the revitalization of its oil and gas industry besides providing technology to exploit it. What is now Rosneft is largely a former BP subsidiary, TNK-BP, which expanded and modernized those refineries. Russian refineries were basically WWII era refineries and mostly without FCCs (cat crackers). They did have naphtha reformers and desulfurization mostly built by US and shipped via Iran for the war effort to provide high octane gasoline for planes.

That the West didn't trust Russia is total bullcrap

This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 8:13 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16174 posts
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:19 am to
In the first decade of the 2000's Exxon and Shell developed Sakhalin Island oil and gas. Most of the modules to process the production were from Louisiana, including the Arctic class offshore drilling platform for Exxon. 100% US technology and equipment.

The target market was China but due very active seismic zone no pipeline could be laid so it was LNG and shuttle LNG carriers.
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