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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:36 pm to
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But, no, neither China nor Russia can be trusted to even look out for their own interests when they can't agree on what those interests


They can be trusted to look out for their own interests, independently. Not each others. They will sell out each other the moment it becomes convenient to.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:40 pm to
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They can be trusted to look out for their own interests, independently. Not each others


Honestly, they can't - no joke.

Russia has just gone into the most ill-advised war in a century and continues to just frick it up. Anyone in the Kremlin, or outside of it for that matter, who dares to stand up and ask, 'What are we doing here?' seems to get thrown out of a window. There's been mistake after mistake after mistake, and even when they are absolutely GIFTED a United States president who seems to be doing everything in his power to help them, they still can't get it right. Russia's now in a almost certain death spiral and this is do ENTIRELY to there own mistakes.

Case in point is that American who volunteered to serve the Russian army:

Dumbass who went to Russia gets sent to the front

This was a PR and military win for Russia gifted to them. Just have the dude fix stuff for your military and tell everyone how great it is on social media. Seriously - that's all. And watch others follow while doing nothing. Instead, they sent him to the front and he's probably dead, poor guy and Russia has nothing to show for it. God the Russians suck.

And then there is China, who after alienating themselves from everybody with their stupid 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy can't even figure out how many people they have, much less do anything about it. They have spent the past half century preparing to make a bid for world supremacy without even realizing that their own existence is built upon American success - they will starve without our help, and now they are attempting to build, at breakneck speed, a navy that could compete with ours, the DUMBEST POLICY DECISION ONE CAN IMAGINE.

After watching Russia get its own military's teeth kicked in for 3 1/2 years by the Ukraine, China is still shooting for taking on the US and other countries in a STUPID attempt to undermine the very world order that keeps them from starving. Oh, yeah, that's gonna end well.

This on top of a financial crisis that everybody sees coming and an American president who is pissing off the rest of the Western world with his own threats. China could potentially sit back and watch allies fall into their hands while doing nothing, but no, instead

Nobody:
China: LET"S BUILD A MODERN NAVY FROM SCRATCH AND START A WAR WITH ALL OF THE WORLD'S FOREMOST NAVAL POWERS COMBINED

All of this because both of these countries are led by short, stupid men who can't handle being told basic truths about the world.


These are not exaggerations or embellishments. Neither country can be trusted to look out for their own interests, which is why they are both about to be reduced to the ash heaps of history, or at least the current iterations of them.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:20 pm to
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Ukraine just unveiled its long-range “Long Neptune” missile—able to strike targets 1,000 km deep inside Russia. Bigger, stronger, and already combat-proven.


Necessity is the mother of invention and Ukraine has been very innovative.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:20 am to
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somewhere in Muscovy. I like how they hustle and bustle


Rail-linked fuel depot near Moscow.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:26 am to
Unconfirmed ammo storage cooking off. Yaroslavl Oblast is adjacent to and just north of Moscow Oblast. Strelka is a small cape at the confluence of the Volga and Kotorosl Rivers in Yaroslavl.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:28 am to
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Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom ·

Look, VP is an educated man, and he knows how WW II ended. But "Ukraine must negotiate with Putin" is the new party line, so he says what he must.

But what his comment reveals is how stupid he thinks the GOP base is, and how much he holds them in contempt.



“No one ever went bankrupt...”

I do thank that bullet for negotiating with Hitler's brain, though...



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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:31 am to
Russian railway substation in Crimea joins its colleagues in Rostov / Volgograd -


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:36 am to
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The strikes on the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery were pretty succesful, given the aftermath satellite images.



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New satellite images from Dnipro Osint show the western section of the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery in ruins, with up to 16 storage tanks either heavily damaged or completely destroyed by fire. FIRMS data shows no active fires now, suggesting the blaze has either been extinguished or burned itself out.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:57 am to
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Russia has just gone into the most ill-advised war in a century and continues to just frick it up. Anyone in the Kremlin, or outside of it for that matter, who dares to stand up and ask, 'What are we doing here?' seems to get thrown out of a window. There's been mistake after mistake after mistake, and even when they are absolutely GIFTED a United States president who seems to be doing everything in his power to help them, they still can't get it right. Russia's now in a almost certain death spiral and this is do ENTIRELY to there own mistakes.


I addressed this in my original post with the "Russia isn't smart about it" bit

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And then there is China, who after alienating themselves from everybody with their stupid 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy can't even figure out how many people they have, much less do anything about it. They have spent the past half century preparing to make a bid for world supremacy without even realizing that their own existence is built upon American success - they will starve without our help, and now they are attempting to build, at breakneck speed, a navy that could compete with ours, the DUMBEST POLICY DECISION ONE CAN IMAGINE.


China is also lowering their power generation cost and increasing their compute capacity faster than anyone on earth that I'm aware of. I don't see them building their navy up to try to take on the US, it's being built as a deterrent to make us think twice when they take Taiwan and whatever else comes after that.

As far as their reliance on us goes, that's absolutely right. But we are also reliant on them for key goods in a lot of different areas. And frankly to keep the crap people buy cheap (and in many cases available at all). So anything involving a standoff between us and them is going to be a game of chicken. Trump is at least trying to shore up some of our weak points against them economically.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:04 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:08 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:00 am to
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... but many left when they figured out that the Russians weren't interested in actually building a business, only looting it.

The Russian government is run by Putin, former KGB, and the security services. All of these individuals were recruited to the security services because they were identified as psychopathic.

Take a moment to let that fact sink in - Russia is governed by a large number of organized and supported psychopaths.

Psychopaths don't understand empathetic societal Western business models of increasing money velocity-creating credit-creating wealth on all levels. They only understand extractive zero-sum monopolistic control. They are hard-wired to loot.

They will never operate differently. And this will be an embedded feature of Russian society until all of these security services and their members are permanently sidelined. That's the problem the West faces now.

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I get the sense that KGB agents just don't have the will or the skill to build businesses and promote trade and economics. Just not one of their skill sets.
Bingo.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13530 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:12 am to
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Necessity is the mother of invention and Ukraine has been very innovative.


So Ukraine suddenly has two different cruise missiles with cutting edge technology. I read an article about the new Flamingo cruise missile. Twice the range of our Tomahawk. And a 25% larger warhead. And a guidance system that cannot be jammed with EW.

The article said the company that developed this technology was essentially a group of three friends with no previous military production experience. They might as well have hung a sign outside that said Committee Intelligencia Agencia. Fully staffed and engineered by Virginia Farm Boys.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16174 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:49 am to
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So Ukraine suddenly has two different cruise missiles with cutting edge technology. I read an article about the new Flamingo cruise missile. Twice the range of our Tomahawk. And a 25% larger warhead. And a guidance system that cannot be jammed with EW.


One of the two major centers of technology development in the former USSR is Kyiv. The other is St. Petersburg
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:55 am to
Sweating Putin. In diplomacy, this is called 'hardball'.


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"Now Vlad, roll over... Good, now sit up and beg. Good boy."

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Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:12 am to
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You leftists are going to be conflicted on this one.

Are you going to continue defending criminals like you do or are you going to demand justice for the Ukrainian refugee and demand these criminals are taken off the streets?
Posted by Camp Randall
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:19 am to
Clever! Such a clever guy you are!
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:30 am to
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The EU is preparing the 19th sanctions package against Russia, but without serious energy restrictions, — Politico

The new package plans restrictions for ships and companies of the "shadow fleet" that help Moscow circumvent sanctions. At the same time, truly significant consequences for Russia are only possible through secondary sanctions, which Washington deals with more than Brussels.

According to the publication, the EU has practically exhausted its pressure tools: after abandoning imports of Russian oil and gas, there are almost no new serious levers left. Among additional ideas, only restrictions on the movement of Russian diplomats in the Schengen area are being discussed to strengthen control over intelligence agents.


Well, just a suggestion, but why not some direct Ukrainian sanctions on the crude oil loading ports of Primorsk (Baltic Sea) and Novorossiisk (Black Sea). Primorsk is 1354km from Kyiv and Novorossiisk is 836km. Well within range of an array of UAV's. This would certainly resolve the sticky shadow fleet problem without any nasty diplomatic dust-ups among the EU countries and Russia. And add a few good entries for the Bavovna of the Week™ contest.

The fact that these two ports have not been hit by UAV's yet is curious in a 'the dog that didn't bark' manner. What's going on?
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:31 am to
Thank you.

Wish I could say the same for you. Seek help for your TDS and it might improve your outlook, disposition on life (leftists are always angry) and overall ability.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42781 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:34 am to
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Are you going to continue defending criminals like you do or are you going to demand justice for the Ukrainian refugee and demand these criminals are taken off the streets?

Really are you nuts?

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