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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 5:30 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 8/23/25 at 5:30 am to Coeur du Tigre
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If tweet fails to load, click here. That's when they can find gasoline for sale. That's getting to be a bigger problem in eastern oblasts that are seeing their normal supplies sent to western Russia to make up for the lost refinery output.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 6:15 am to Coeur du Tigre
TACO gives Putin yet another "couple of weeks" to come to peace negotiations. Pitiful, pitiful, pitiful. But that's what happens when you get caught having sex with children.
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In depth article (long) about the FP-5 Flamingo;. background, specs, potential targets, comparison to other cruise missiles such as Tomahawk and strategic implications.
Ukraine’s new cruise missile FP-5 Flamingo can reach 90 percent of Russian defense industries
23.08.2025 09:10
Priority targets: military-industrial and oil refining sectors
Experts are unanimous in the opinion that the prime targets for the Flamingo will be defense industrial facilities, as well as oil storage and refining industries in Russia.
Valery Romanenko paints a gloomy picture for Russia. According to him, it will not be just about damage, but about the complete destruction. “A powerful high-explosive warhead leaves a crater of up to 20 meters in diameter and a good depth upon exploding. This means that the roof and walls of the production hall collapse. Such a facility will be impossible to restore to its original state except for cleaning up the site and building everything from scratch.”
A similar fate, in his opinion, awaits Russian oil refineries. A successful strike on a crude distillation column turns it into a pile of scrap metal, and a simultaneous strike by several missiles can reduce the refinery to ruins. “The most prone to Flamingo attacks will be the largest oil refineries located in the European part of the Russian Federation, which are among the top ten: Ryazan (Russia’s third largest in terms of oil refining capacity), Kstovo in the Nizhny Novgorod region (4th), Yaroslavl (6th), Volgograd (7th), Perm (8th), Moscow (9th) and Tuapse (10th). All of them are within the Flamingo’s reach. And that’s to say nothing of smaller, but more closely located refineries... If attacks on these targets become systematic, the European part of Russia risks being left without fuel. Then supplies will have to be directed from Nizhnekamask or Omsk, meaning an additional thousands of kilometers of transportation, trains with fuel, which can also become targets of strikes in addition to railway hubs.
Ukrinform
Ukraine’s new cruise missile FP-5 Flamingo can reach 90 percent of Russian defense industries
23.08.2025 09:10
Priority targets: military-industrial and oil refining sectors
Experts are unanimous in the opinion that the prime targets for the Flamingo will be defense industrial facilities, as well as oil storage and refining industries in Russia.
Valery Romanenko paints a gloomy picture for Russia. According to him, it will not be just about damage, but about the complete destruction. “A powerful high-explosive warhead leaves a crater of up to 20 meters in diameter and a good depth upon exploding. This means that the roof and walls of the production hall collapse. Such a facility will be impossible to restore to its original state except for cleaning up the site and building everything from scratch.”
A similar fate, in his opinion, awaits Russian oil refineries. A successful strike on a crude distillation column turns it into a pile of scrap metal, and a simultaneous strike by several missiles can reduce the refinery to ruins. “The most prone to Flamingo attacks will be the largest oil refineries located in the European part of the Russian Federation, which are among the top ten: Ryazan (Russia’s third largest in terms of oil refining capacity), Kstovo in the Nizhny Novgorod region (4th), Yaroslavl (6th), Volgograd (7th), Perm (8th), Moscow (9th) and Tuapse (10th). All of them are within the Flamingo’s reach. And that’s to say nothing of smaller, but more closely located refineries... If attacks on these targets become systematic, the European part of Russia risks being left without fuel. Then supplies will have to be directed from Nizhnekamask or Omsk, meaning an additional thousands of kilometers of transportation, trains with fuel, which can also become targets of strikes in addition to railway hubs.
Ukrinform
Posted on 8/23/25 at 6:50 am to cypher
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:24 am to cypher
Would think they would also start targeting Russia's utility grid.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 7:45 am to cypher
Article of the Month, giving technical data, strategic implications and possible defenses against these missiles.
TGIF? Russia is fricked. But you knew that, this just updates the timeline for total frickeration.
Nizhnekamask is 953 miles / 1 534 km from Kyiv.
The Nizhnekamask refinery has been hit by drones on two previous occasions. LINK
Omsk is 1,799 miles / 2 895 km from Kyiv. Not far enough.
Although not drone-related, Omsk has had some recent misfortunes -
TGIF? Russia is fricked. But you knew that, this just updates the timeline for total frickeration.
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The advent of the cruise missile like Flamingo is not just a new reinforcement to the Ukrainian Defense Forces. It is a development that marks the Ukrainian defense industry’s transition to a qualitatively new level of development and highlights a dramatic change in the strategic balance of power in the war. Having obtained a weapon capable of keeping up to 90 percent of Russia’s arms manufacturing capacities under threat, Ukraine obtains a powerful leverage to pressure on the aggressor country – militarily as well as politically.
Despite having certain drawbacks in terms of size and visual signature, Flamingo’s advantages – long range, heavy warhead and mass production potential – make it into a fearsome leverage in a war of attrition. With the Flamingo missile now available, Ukraine now is equipped to respond asymmetrically to Russian strikes, bringing the war home to the aggressor and further undermining its economic and warfighting capabilities.
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If attacks on these targets become systematic, the European part of Russia risks being left without fuel. Then supplies will have to be directed from Nizhnekamask or Omsk, meaning an additional thousands of kilometers of transportation, trains with fuel, which can also become targets of strikes in addition to railway hubs.
Nizhnekamask is 953 miles / 1 534 km from Kyiv.
The Nizhnekamask refinery has been hit by drones on two previous occasions. LINK
Omsk is 1,799 miles / 2 895 km from Kyiv. Not far enough.
Although not drone-related, Omsk has had some recent misfortunes -
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On 25 April 2024, Russian media reported a fire at the Omsk Refinery. The authorities used firefighting trains to combat the blaze. Ukraine was blamed for the fire, which engulfed three rail cars. The oil refinery fire was detected by NASA's FIRMS on 28 August 2024.
On 26 August 2024, an explosion and subsequent fire took place burning some 1,000 square metres (11,000 sq ft), injuring seven workers. Crude distillation unit named CDU-11, one of the "two largest primary refining units at the plant" was destroyed. The unit was responsible for roughly one-third of plant capacity.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 8:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
The Ukrainian JB is binge posting again.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 8:45 am to Coeur du Tigre
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TACO gives Putin yet another "couple of weeks" to come to peace negotiations. Pitiful, pitiful, pitiful. But that's what happens when you get caught having sex with children.
frick you. I’m going to make it a point to get you banned here
Posted on 8/23/25 at 8:51 am to texag7
Banned?
He is doing everything that the Russian JB did and he gets by with it. His sources are no more legit than the Russian JB's were. As long as his sources are pro Ukrainian there is no problem.
This bunch defends him and his actions. But they whined and cried about the Russian JB for weeks.
All they want here is an echo chamber.
Nothing but hypocrites. Troskyites: leftists and spineless neocon Rino's (Bush and Cheney lovers) in bed together.
He is doing everything that the Russian JB did and he gets by with it. His sources are no more legit than the Russian JB's were. As long as his sources are pro Ukrainian there is no problem.
This bunch defends him and his actions. But they whined and cried about the Russian JB for weeks.
All they want here is an echo chamber.
Nothing but hypocrites. Troskyites: leftists and spineless neocon Rino's (Bush and Cheney lovers) in bed together.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:30 am to cypher
Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
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I've decided to translate for you a post from the Russian Telegram channel "Nezygar" about the current state of Russian refineries and fuel market:
"Tensions in Russia's fuel market are rising: in Primorye, there are kilometer-long queues at gas stations, and wholesale prices for gasoline and diesel have hit record highs. Officially, the reasons are no longer hidden - refineries are shutting down after Ukrainian strikes. During peak summer days, up to 14% of processing capacity was idle.
In 2025, the tactics of Ukrainian strikes have changed. Previously, they were one-time: a unit would be damaged, the plant would reduce output, but recover within a few weeks. Now, attacks are carried out in series and repeated on the same facilities - Ryazan, Novokuibyshevsk, Syzran, Volgograd, Afipsky refineries. This prevents the restoration of primary processing and hydrocracking and catalytic cracking units. For example, after a series of attacks, Ryazan Refinery (5% of Russia's capacity) has half its processing halted, while Novokuibyshevsk Refinery (3%) has its primary processing damaged. The largest refinery in southern Russia, Volgograd's Lukoil, as well as the Samara and Syzran refineries, have stopped receiving crude.
Ukraine is widely using drones with a range of 1,000-1,500 km (such as the AQ-400 produced by FirePoint), capable of reaching the Volga region. Simultaneously, drones and maritime drones are targeting export terminals - attacks on Ust-Luga and Novorossiysk have temporarily halted oil product shipments. 'Madyar' reported hitting the Druzhba pipeline, which supplies oil from Russia to its historical homeland.
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The choice of refineries as targets is explained by their technological vulnerability. Modern Russian refineries were built using equipment from Shell, Axens, UOP, and Haldor Topsoe - hydrocracking, catalytic reforming, isomerization, and Euro-5 component production. After 2022, deliveries of equipment, software, and catalysts ceased. Catalysts are consumables, replaced every 1-3 years; without Western supplies, Russia relies on old stock or Chinese analogs with inferior performance. Hydroprocessing reactors and compressors are manufactured in only a few countries, with delivery times up to a year.
China can cover only part of the deficit: pumps, heat exchangers, and simple catalysts. However, for complex processes, its technology lags, and replacing Western components with Chinese ones requires restructuring the entire refinery unit. As a result, every Ukrainian strike on a hydrocracking or reforming unit leads to months of downtime.
The map of Russian refineries reveals a key strategic problem: the main processing capacities are concentrated in the European part of the country, while fuel consumption is rising in the Far East. Fuel logistics chains to eastern regions span thousands of kilometers, creating additional costs and risks. Kilometer-long queues in Primorye are a direct consequence of this imbalance between western production and eastern consumption. Large refineries - from Kirishi to Volgograd - are within reach of Ukrainian drones. The Flamingo missile, if its specifications are confirmed, can reach Russia's largest refinery in Omsk.
As the range increases, facilities previously considered out of reach are now threatened, creating a scale problem for air defense - protecting all refineries across the territory, from Kaliningrad to the Far East, is practically impossible.
Consequently, Russia's oil and gas industry, once a source of economic strength, has become a vulnerable spot."
@Gerashchenko_en
·
3h
I've decided to translate for you a post from the Russian Telegram channel "Nezygar" about the current state of Russian refineries and fuel market:
"Tensions in Russia's fuel market are rising: in Primorye, there are kilometer-long queues at gas stations, and wholesale prices for gasoline and diesel have hit record highs. Officially, the reasons are no longer hidden - refineries are shutting down after Ukrainian strikes. During peak summer days, up to 14% of processing capacity was idle.
In 2025, the tactics of Ukrainian strikes have changed. Previously, they were one-time: a unit would be damaged, the plant would reduce output, but recover within a few weeks. Now, attacks are carried out in series and repeated on the same facilities - Ryazan, Novokuibyshevsk, Syzran, Volgograd, Afipsky refineries. This prevents the restoration of primary processing and hydrocracking and catalytic cracking units. For example, after a series of attacks, Ryazan Refinery (5% of Russia's capacity) has half its processing halted, while Novokuibyshevsk Refinery (3%) has its primary processing damaged. The largest refinery in southern Russia, Volgograd's Lukoil, as well as the Samara and Syzran refineries, have stopped receiving crude.
Ukraine is widely using drones with a range of 1,000-1,500 km (such as the AQ-400 produced by FirePoint), capable of reaching the Volga region. Simultaneously, drones and maritime drones are targeting export terminals - attacks on Ust-Luga and Novorossiysk have temporarily halted oil product shipments. 'Madyar' reported hitting the Druzhba pipeline, which supplies oil from Russia to its historical homeland.
...
The choice of refineries as targets is explained by their technological vulnerability. Modern Russian refineries were built using equipment from Shell, Axens, UOP, and Haldor Topsoe - hydrocracking, catalytic reforming, isomerization, and Euro-5 component production. After 2022, deliveries of equipment, software, and catalysts ceased. Catalysts are consumables, replaced every 1-3 years; without Western supplies, Russia relies on old stock or Chinese analogs with inferior performance. Hydroprocessing reactors and compressors are manufactured in only a few countries, with delivery times up to a year.
China can cover only part of the deficit: pumps, heat exchangers, and simple catalysts. However, for complex processes, its technology lags, and replacing Western components with Chinese ones requires restructuring the entire refinery unit. As a result, every Ukrainian strike on a hydrocracking or reforming unit leads to months of downtime.
The map of Russian refineries reveals a key strategic problem: the main processing capacities are concentrated in the European part of the country, while fuel consumption is rising in the Far East. Fuel logistics chains to eastern regions span thousands of kilometers, creating additional costs and risks. Kilometer-long queues in Primorye are a direct consequence of this imbalance between western production and eastern consumption. Large refineries - from Kirishi to Volgograd - are within reach of Ukrainian drones. The Flamingo missile, if its specifications are confirmed, can reach Russia's largest refinery in Omsk.
As the range increases, facilities previously considered out of reach are now threatened, creating a scale problem for air defense - protecting all refineries across the territory, from Kaliningrad to the Far East, is practically impossible.
Consequently, Russia's oil and gas industry, once a source of economic strength, has become a vulnerable spot."
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:46 am to cypher
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Ukraine’s new cruise missile FP-5 Flamingo can reach 90 percent of Russian defense industries
Can Russia target the factory that produces these missiles? It doesn’t seem as if they can.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:58 am to doubleb
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Can Russia target the factory that produces these missiles? It doesn’t seem as if they can.
They must find it first.
There is no information on Flamingo production except that they currently finish one per day and are projected to produce seven per day by the end of the year. They clearly don't have one giant complex for this as the Russian-Chinese complex at Alabuga. So it follows that the Ukrainians have a number of assembly points fed by numerous component manufacturers. And these don't have to even be in Ukraine. The only thing that must be in Ukraine are the launch points.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:34 am to cypher
Gas shortages are resulting in miles long lines in Russia.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:51 am to Coeur du Tigre
It has been stated here that this is a war of atttition, and that gaining territory is not the way to success.
Well, repeatedly lobbing missiles and using drones to demolish key economic and military infrastructure sure makes sense. It makes more sense than blowing up shopping areas, apartments and schools.
The longer the war lasts the greater the need for tactics like this. A death by a thousand cuts? No, Ukrsine can’t “kill” Russia, but they can make things rough. Could it ever get so rough that Putin says enough is enough for now and settles?
Well, repeatedly lobbing missiles and using drones to demolish key economic and military infrastructure sure makes sense. It makes more sense than blowing up shopping areas, apartments and schools.
The longer the war lasts the greater the need for tactics like this. A death by a thousand cuts? No, Ukrsine can’t “kill” Russia, but they can make things rough. Could it ever get so rough that Putin says enough is enough for now and settles?
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:16 am to cypher
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Now, attacks are carried out in series and repeated on the same facilities - Ryazan, Novokuibyshevsk, Syzran, Volgograd, Afipsky refineries. This prevents the restoration of primary processing and hydrocracking and catalytic cracking units. For example, after a series of attacks, Ryazan Refinery (5% of Russia's capacity) has half its processing halted, while Novokuibyshevsk Refinery (3%) has its primary processing damaged. The largest refinery in southern Russia, Volgograd's Lukoil, as well as the Samara and Syzran refineries, have stopped receiving crude.
This is the 15th Air Force's playbook for the refineries around Ploiesti during WW2'
Just keep going back over and over. Briefing officers referred to these follow up missions as bouncing the rubble.
By the time Russia took the place in the summer of 1944 the refineries were producing at about 10% capacity.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:22 am to doubleb
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Could it ever get so rough that Putin says enough is enough for now and settles?
No. The correct way of understanding Putin's position within Russia is to see him as not the head of a country beholden to the populace in some legal manner, but as the head of a very large criminal organization. Projected power - financial and political power enforced by a large and entrenched security sector - is everything. Anything else is just baby-kissing propaganda. In Putin's world, weakness gets you killed.
In this system, Putin can never have the luxury of stopping the fighting, even if he were capable of making that decision. But he's not capable. He's a psychopath and sees the world as the suckers that obey rules and the killers like himself that take advantage of this. And there are a lot of killers just like him in Russia that will take full advantage of any perceived weakness. It just takes one traitor with money and opportunity and the entrenched knowledge of Putin's Rule #1 - kill first.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 12:17 pm to Coeur du Tigre
So the economic losses won’t add up and cost the ruling cabal enough to get them to settle?
Why not? They could be losing billions of dollars in a major economic decline.
Why not? They could be losing billions of dollars in a major economic decline.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 12:54 pm to doubleb
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They could be losing billions of dollars in a major economic decline.
Right now, when thinking about where the traitor is coming from, this destruction of the economy is the only real threat to Putin. The two defining characteristics of an oligarch are the State's protection of their wealth and their immunity from prosecution. That's the deal. But for most, this war has been destroying their wealth directly and in a substantial way, with no solution in sight. Others have been arrested (or worse) and stripped of their assets.
The oligarch that is well connected within the security services and sees that one way or another he is going to lose his fortune if he does nothing is the oligarch that will take a chance at killing Putin. There won't be any putsch, remember, this is a mafia. So there will be no survivors. And if someone actually gets to Putin, the killing will go on for months. Car bombs for everyone.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:06 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Exactly what I’m getting at. Pressure from within the cabal could affect Putin. He could elect to settle in that case.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:54 pm to doubleb
quote:To repeat, no. Never. If Putin settles for anything other than continuing the war at full effort with the daily killing of Ukrainian civilians, he will lose the confidence of the security services. Without them Putin may be the richest and most politically powerful person in Russia, but he will have no means of projecting that power. And that is a fatal weakness in any mafia.
He could elect to settle in that case.
Just look at the example of Prigozhin. All he had to do was continue Wagner's march on Moscow two years ago. But he stopped to listen to Putin. That was his fatal weakness.
Who made it fatal? Nikolai Patrushev, head of the FSB for nine years, who elevated the KGB members to the highest echelons of power of Russia, referring to them as the "new nobility." In other words, the chief chief of the Russian security services.
Patrushev, not Prigozhin, remembered Putin's First Rule: Kill First.
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