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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:32 am to Leopold
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:32 am to Leopold
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So the Russians are going to lose another 120k men trying to take a town that doesn't matter except to goofballs on the internet - even their own people have left.
But hey, Russia took a town. Nothings gonna change in this war, but maybe - maybe - that does happen....
If they've lost 120k just trying to take that one town, their casualty numbers would have to be at least 2 million overall
"The Narrative" is shifting. It must always shift to preserve the manufactured truth that "Ukraine is winning" "Russia can't advance" "Ukraine can win". It went from "Lol they've been trying to take this important town for months" to "Lol the town doesn't even matter".
Some of the BlackBird Group (which I am partial to for getting updates on the conflict even though they definite skew more toward being Ukraine-Maxers) are calling it a potential crisis, and saying redeployments to help in this region could open up other vulnerabilities all along the front. Its a big deal, and selling it as anything less than such is either foolish or dishonest.
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:37 am to AU86
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you wouldn't even know it was on a map if there was not fighting there.
Yeah go talk to the Marine vets in the Pacific about how important Henderson Field was at Guadalcanal and then go try to find it on a map
There are areas in almost every conflict that are extremely unassuming and unimportant in daily life that become absolutely vital in a conflict because of geography and terrain.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:40 am to Leopold
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No. Sooner or later what is left will retreat back to a new, rebuilt defensive line and the whole thing will begin again. And the killing will continue.
I'm assuming they are already working on a new line in some capacity. Further back than the current one but one that would still keep Kyiv out of range of some closer range Russian firepower. You can retreat to a new line but it can't be in a location close enough to where Russian can turn Kyiv into rubble.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:51 am to AU86
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Yes. When attempting to conquer a country taking the actual territory is of high importance.
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Then why didn't the British win the American Revolution?
The Revolution is a tough one to compare to a lot of conflicts because of the lopsided stakes involved for both sides. The colonists saw it as an existential conflict (or at least the power brokers inside the colonies marketed it as such). For Britain it was a much more peripheral conflict... they were more worried about other territories which were also under threat at the time that were much more monetarily valuable for them. The Revolution was more of a black eye politically and militarily for Britain than anything else.
I suppose there is kind of a parallel in that Russia just wants land and Ukraine is fighting an existential fight, though to the Russians some of that land is fairly important to them strategically (Crimea, and a "land bridge" to the Crimean peninsula). Though I do think there is a faction within Russia that legitimately sees Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat (a very Russian thought process there, seeing that NATO is at least in theory a defensive alliance), and that is certainly part of their marketing for the conflict.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:21 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Some sources have predicted an increase in Russian 'disinformation spreading, in order to cause confusion among Western allies and intra-Ukrainian conflicts ahead of the Trump-Putin meeting'
I believe this is now officially a "listening session" or something...
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:31 am to DMAN1968
quote:Huh?!? The Crimean Peninsula is shown on the map I posted as being under Russian control (darker pink).
So...no Crimea?
What are you talking about?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:10 am to cypher
Ukrainian forces destroy Russian sabotage units in Pokrovsk sector
August 13, 2025, 08:46 AM
Russian sabotage units have infiltrated the villages of Vesele, Vilne, Rubizhne, and Kucheriv Yar in the Pokrovsk sector of Donetsk Oblast, but some have already been eliminated by Ukrainian forces, General Staff spokesperson Andriy Kovalev said on Aug. 13.
"Taking advantage of the terrain, the saboteurs secretly entered the settlements of Vesele, Vilne, Rubizhne, and Kucheriv Yar," Kovalev said. "Some groups have already been destroyed, and the rest are in the process of being neutralized. The situation is challenging and fluid."
He added that several small enemy groups bypassed Ukrainian positions and attempted to advance toward the village of Zolotyi Kolodiaz. Kovalev stressed that the Defense Forces are taking all necessary measures to locate and destroy the remaining units.
On Aug. 12, Kovalev said that, on the orders of Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi, additional personnel and resources had been deployed to identify and eliminate Russian sabotage groups attempting to break through Ukrainian defensive lines in the Pokrovsk sector.
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August 13, 2025, 08:46 AM
Russian sabotage units have infiltrated the villages of Vesele, Vilne, Rubizhne, and Kucheriv Yar in the Pokrovsk sector of Donetsk Oblast, but some have already been eliminated by Ukrainian forces, General Staff spokesperson Andriy Kovalev said on Aug. 13.
"Taking advantage of the terrain, the saboteurs secretly entered the settlements of Vesele, Vilne, Rubizhne, and Kucheriv Yar," Kovalev said. "Some groups have already been destroyed, and the rest are in the process of being neutralized. The situation is challenging and fluid."
He added that several small enemy groups bypassed Ukrainian positions and attempted to advance toward the village of Zolotyi Kolodiaz. Kovalev stressed that the Defense Forces are taking all necessary measures to locate and destroy the remaining units.
On Aug. 12, Kovalev said that, on the orders of Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi, additional personnel and resources had been deployed to identify and eliminate Russian sabotage groups attempting to break through Ukrainian defensive lines in the Pokrovsk sector.
NV
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:15 am to texag7
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They’ve taken over 25% of Ukraines land that will very likely be part of Russia forever.
You are incorrect.
They took over 25%, but lost over 5%. They control about 20% of Ukraine now. Ukraine controls a tiny part of Russia.
Russia hasn’t done very well taking land..
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:51 am to Lee B
‘I Have A Hunch’: Gingrich Previews What Could Go Down Between Putin And Trump
https://dailycaller.com/2025/08/13/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-putin-alaska-meeting/
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Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich predicted Tuesday on Fox News’ “Hannity” that President Donald Trump could “walk out” of the upcoming meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin if he believes Putin is attempting to “run a bluff” on him.
Trump announced in a Truth Social post Friday that he will meet with Putin Aug. 15 after repeatedly calling for peace between Ukraine and Russia. Host Sean Hannity asked Gingrich what he believes could transpire between the two.
https://dailycaller.com/2025/08/13/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-putin-alaska-meeting/
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:13 am to Auburn1968
Let’s hope Trump brings his A game. Putin will be trying every trick in the book.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:46 am to doubleb
Russian disinformation outfit ISW confirms strategically irrelevant city Pokrovsk now encircled oh my
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:02 pm to T1gerNate
Pokrovsk looks to be in a precarious position. That is obvious, but it doesn’t seem to be completely encircled according to your map.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:49 pm to doubleb
quote:Two in one week? At some point a holding cell in The Hague will become a very popular option. The only possible defense against this reminds us of the old poison pill tactic against greenmail takeovers in the 1980's - make sure you are not only dead broke but owe three times revenue in bond payments. Bond payments to thugs like Sechin's Rosneft would be optimal.
Another death of a top manager in Russia:
Chairman of Uralkali's Board of Directors died "suddenly". Dmitry Osipov became the 18th top manager of a major Russian company to die under unclear circumstances since 2022
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On Tuesday, August 12, it became known that Dmitry Osipov, the chairman of the board of directors of Russia's Uralkali, the world's largest potash producer, had died. Osipov died at the age of 59, the press service of Uralchem (which controls Uralkali) reported. The company called Osipov's death sudden, without specifying the cause. Mr. Osipov was CEO of Uralkali from 2013 to 2020, then headed VSMPO-Avisma, a titanium producer, and returned to Uralkali in 2023.
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Osipov's death was the second in a week among top managers and owners of large businesses. The day before Mikhail Kenin, the founder and major shareholder of Samolet Group, died – the largest developer in Russia. The cause of his death is also unknown.
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Over the past three and a half years, at least 17 top managers of large companies have died under what some sources suggest were suspicious circumstances, notes The Moscow Times.
And many more are not dead yet but 'just' under arrest. Pretty soon Putin is going to run out of easy marks like these 18 and will have to go after some of the well-protected oligarchs. That's when he will find out who in the FSB works for who.
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:50 pm to doubleb
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Pokrovsk looks to be in a precarious position. That is obvious, but it doesn’t seem to be completely encircled according to your map.
No, it doesn't look encircled yet. What is important though is the context on the ground. Does this "arm" that the Russians have created around the middle/back side of the city cut off supply or escape routes? Does it open up firing lanes? Is it just the only thing they could capture so they took it? Lot of context missing from just a map.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:13 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Not quite as unreasonable as Putin's demands, but still unreasonable. However Zelenskyy is not talking to the Russians. He's telling the West what they know already but which they also must be constantly reminded. The initial steps towards a lasting peace in a normal sane world. You know, like civilized societies. That's the goal.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:22 pm to doubleb
quote:He'll probably start out by speaking English.
Putin will be trying every trick in the book.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:22 pm to cypher
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:29 pm to VolSquatch
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No, it doesn't look encircled yet. What is important though is the context on the ground. Does this "arm" that the Russians have created around the middle/back side of the city cut off supply or escape routes? Does it open up firing lanes? Is it just the only thing they could capture so they took it? Lot of context missing from just a map.
Correct it is not encircled.
The arm in question is claimed but not verified.
The map shows s road and a RR “open” to the west.
There’s no doubt Pokrovsk is n jeopardy and is at risk, but this map doesn’t show a completely hopeless situation.
And like you said there is a lot of unknown information not shown by this map.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:31 pm to LSURussian
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He'll probably start out by speaking English.
He will be wearing a pair of those Humphrey Bogart platform shoes. Watch
Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:56 pm to LSURussian
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Huh?!? The Crimean Peninsula is shown on the map I posted as being under Russian control (darker pink).
What are you talking about?
My bad...the writing on the map said from from Feb2022-present...I assumed it wasn't using Crimea in the calculation of land lost thus far.
You are correct. It's not 25% it's only 20%.
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