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re: LA GATOR / Vouchers - Less than 30% of applicants are current public school students
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:01 pm to crewdepoo
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:01 pm to crewdepoo
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Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich
Sure, sure. Nothing is stolen from them. The poor don't pay anything in property taxes dedicated to public schools. Neither do, for the scope of dollars they might get handed to them in this farce, the middle class. Potentially more than $60,000 per kid for first through twelfth grade. The property taxes the middle class pays that go to schools is dwarfed by the amount they'll reap for just one kid. H A N D O U T. No matter how one mentally gyrates and rationalizes, this is a government hand out. 
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Ben Franklin was the best public high school in Louisiana before NO moved to the all charter model, too, so your point is moot.
It was a selective admission magnet school even then
It could never be what’s it been by just drawing a line and taking the kids inside (even in the good Lakeview neighborhoods)
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:52 am to Jake88
We are taking money used to help schools with poor and disabled students and giving it to the rich who will then give it to Christian schools.
If you're worried about how your tax dollars are spent this should bother you.
If you're worried about how your tax dollars are spent this should bother you.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:28 am to crewdepoo
quote:You really think they are going to claw that money back from each school that someone leaves? If 30 kids leave you think they are going to reduce that schools budget by the 30 x whatever dollars they qualify for?
We are taking money used to help schools with poor and disabled students and giving it to the rich who will then give it to Christian schools
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:44 am to Jake88
quote:this was a fund they had to apply for every year so yes. It's already happening.
You really think they are going to claw that money back from each school that someone leaves? If 30 kids leave you think they are going to reduce that schools budget by the 30 x whatever dollars they qualify for?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
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I’m assuming you have a problem with magnet schools, as well, since they are selective enrollment?
Yes, I do actually
In my parish, it was referred to as the "private, public school". It pulled the best students from the surrounding schools, thereby dropping all rankings, so they could shine.
The big problem was that they were located in crime infested neighborhood by design. However, enrollment kept dropping. So the district kept adding more programs, further destroying the neighborhood schools
Its just a gimmick. Until you improve neighborhood schools, there will be no improvement. Everything else is designed to garner headlines. No one wants to send their kids to a place like this. But in the end, they have to choose somewhere to educate their kids
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Students packed the courtyard at Benjamin Franklin High School Wednesday morning — just two days after the school had to cancel classes due to a gun threat.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:04 am to Indefatigable
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Tell me what I am supposed to do. There is zero option for elementary or middle school that doesn't include subjecting my children to subhuman nonsense on a daily basis. I want them to actually learn at school, so I have to pay for them to go somewhere else until high school--on top of wasting my money via taxes on a failing school system.
I'm telling you that I am sure I can find good public schools for your kids to attend if you tell me the parish you live in. That is how I responded to your post, you just don't like my response.
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Why, exactly, should I have to pay for a public school system that I derive NO benefit from?
Send your kids to the public schools and you will benefit. Kids don't fail because they have bad teachers, they fail because they have bad parents. Your kids would be fine at the "worst" school. So would mine.
quote:They would if you sent your kids to public school. You're selecting the luxury option and you're upset that taxpayers don't pay for your kids to have the luxury option.
Why can't my tax dollars go to the education of my children?
quote:Attending private school isn't a need. It is a want.
Why are the needs of people who don't care about their children's education superior to mine?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:09 am to Jake88
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No matter how one mentally gyrates and rationalizes, this is a government hand out.
The average person cannot solely financially sustain anything they benefit from that the government provides with only their tax contributions.
I'm curious if you believe bridges and roads are government handouts, too. Is there anything the government provides that isn't a handout? Military? National parks? Anything?
Even if I pay $50,000/year in taxes, that isn't enough money to pay for every road, bridge, or tunnel I drive through in one year, let alone also cover the cost of everything else I use.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:31 am to crewdepoo
quote:Show me where each school has dollars removed per student who left. I'm actually interested to see if that is really happening.
this was a fund they had to apply for every year so yes. It's already happening.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:29 am to Jake88
I was mistaken. The funds were already going to private schools. They just went to poor/disabled kids who went to poor performing public schools.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:40 am to Crescent Connection
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I’m still unclear about this program pertaining to families who currently send their kids to private school and AGI over $150k. Are those families eligible for funds during phase 3 rollout?
Yes but funds will never be there.
Jeffrey was ambitious with this one but this broke dick state can’t afford it. We’d be better off giving tax breaks for those paying tuition
Which reminds me, there are 5 EBRPSS property tax renewals on the May 3rd ballot. VOTE NO.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:54 am to whoa
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Yes but funds will never be there.
Jeffrey was ambitious with this one but this broke dick state can’t afford it. We’d be better off giving tax breaks for those paying tuition
Speaking of the LA budget. PAR/LSU/The Advocate built a tool that let's you play with different budget items to attempt to balance the budget.
The tool doesn't let you cut the budget as it's already been allocated for next FY.
SolvetheBudget.com
Can fully fund the GATOR program and permanent teacher raises only by keeping sales tax at 5%, expanding sales taxes to service, and rolling back the income and corporate tax cuts.
Or cut GATOR, keep corporate/income tax breaks (and sales tax increase), pay raise for teachers, and increase gas tax and/or expand sales tax to services.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:54 am to Jake88
quote:Schools have to supply the state with student counts in October and February. These are called MFP (Minimum Foundation Program) student counts and they determine the per pupil funding a school will receive from the state.
Show me where each school has dollars removed per student who left. I'm actually interested to see if that is really happening.
If a child moves, dies, transfers, whatever between November and February, the school would not receive funding for that child after the Feb MFP count.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:55 am to LSUFanHouston
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Thus, the majority of vouchers will go to families who are currently paying for private school.
Who pay taxes BTW. In many cases they are paying tuition because the public schools suck.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
A couple things.
First, Landry has only requested 93 million dollars to fund this, which is only enough for about 12k students.
There is a prioritization of funds which is:
Kids using vouchers currently
Students with disabilities or students from families earnings <250% the poverty level (75k for a family of four)
Siblings of kids using vouchers
Everyone else
So it's very likely the remaining 7k students (removing the 5k that are currently on vouchers) will come from the 11k public school families that applied, or from families who are currently making a great sacrifice sending their kids to private school while only making ~75k as a family of 4.
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It's the state's responsibility to provide an education to all children. The state is currently getting a huge discount by not having to pay for students who currently attend private school. The state should still be responsible for paying the for the education of those children.
First, Landry has only requested 93 million dollars to fund this, which is only enough for about 12k students.
There is a prioritization of funds which is:
Kids using vouchers currently
Students with disabilities or students from families earnings <250% the poverty level (75k for a family of four)
Siblings of kids using vouchers
Everyone else
So it's very likely the remaining 7k students (removing the 5k that are currently on vouchers) will come from the 11k public school families that applied, or from families who are currently making a great sacrifice sending their kids to private school while only making ~75k as a family of 4.
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Thus, the majority of vouchers will go to families who are currently paying for private school. This is new spending.
It's the state's responsibility to provide an education to all children. The state is currently getting a huge discount by not having to pay for students who currently attend private school. The state should still be responsible for paying the for the education of those children.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:08 pm to Lickitty Split
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Sounds like most people who applied aren’t eligible. This should all work itself out then.
35k of the 39k that applied have already been deemed eligible.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:25 pm to 4cubbies
I feel like there is a massive selection bias at play with the stats in the OP.
Louisiana has the 2nd highest private school attendance rate in America. The parents of these private school children are, on average, way more involved in their child’s education and aware of resources available than the parents of those who attend public school.
I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that a lot of public school parents in places like NOLA and NBR didn’t even know this program existed, because they are so uninvolved in their child’s education.
Still, it’s good to know that potentially 11,000 kids stuck in public school may get a new chance at success.
Louisiana has the 2nd highest private school attendance rate in America. The parents of these private school children are, on average, way more involved in their child’s education and aware of resources available than the parents of those who attend public school.
I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that a lot of public school parents in places like NOLA and NBR didn’t even know this program existed, because they are so uninvolved in their child’s education.
Still, it’s good to know that potentially 11,000 kids stuck in public school may get a new chance at success.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that a lot of public school parents in places like NOLA and NBR didn’t even know this program existed, because they are so uninvolved in their child’s education.
Are you under the impression that teachers sent home fliers advertising this program to parents? How would parents being more involved in their children's education be relevant to knowing that this program existed or knowing how to apply for it?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If it helps just one child, it will have been worth it.
(I think that’s what we’re supposed to say.)
(I think that’s what we’re supposed to say.)
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:32 pm to the808bass
LA public schools for the most part is shite. Absolute garbage.
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