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re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Day 7
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:22 pm to Centinel
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:22 pm to Centinel
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It's meant to tumble when it hits flesh. Which is probably what OP meant.
I don’t believe it was designed that way, it was just a result of the round design. And the yaw is unpredictable and inconsistent, which is why sometimes a 55gr FMJ will leave a pencil hole and people say it’s not effective, and sometimes it yaws like a mofo and drops people, and those people say it’s very effective. Both are telling the truth.
A HP, SP or OTM takes the unpredictability out of the equation.
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:22 pm to WizardSleeve
quote:I don't own an AR15 type weapon. I've fired my brother's AR15, and the .223 ammo was always FMJ. Any of you AR15 baws ever use HP ammo? I'm thinking it would be more likely to jam.
The use of full metal jacketing in military ammunition came about in part because of the need for improved feeding characteristics in small arms that used internal mechanical manipulation of the cartridge in order to chamber rounds as opposed to externally hand-reloading single-shot firearms. The harder metal used in bullet jackets was less prone to deformation than softer exposed lead, which improved feeding.
Also, this line of questioning is completely irrelevant to the case. Prosecutor is just trying to trip Kyle up, so he can claim he's a liar.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:22 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Good point
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:22 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Maybe they're trying to incense the Right instead. Make it as ludicrous as possible, have a judge on your side and still convict. Our political justice system is just theater
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:23 pm to ChineseBandit58
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but to not know if a round was chambered or not is a bad thing.
Let's unpack this - he treated the gun as though it was loaded. So, he was assuming the risk (and, of course, those few who elected to frick around and find out), not innocent third parties.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:23 pm to southern686
quote:
coached by his legal team to play stupid so the prosecution couldn't twist it into a "gotcha".
good point -
quote:
This is why I also do not believe KR is this ignorant on the subjec
makes sense - As careful as Kyle is, it is hard for me to believe he didn't know a round was chambered.
IF (god forbid) they have evidence that he DID check the chamber (as he SHOULD have done) this whole thing could blow back on him = perjury.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:23 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
The fact that Kyle knows so little about bullet types, such as thinking FMJ are used for hunting and not expandable bullets, really damages the argument that he’s a wannabe para-military type person who was just looking for an excuse to shoot someone.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:24 pm to TigerVespamon
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Also, this line of questioning is completely irrelevant to the case. Prosecutor is just trying to trip Kyle up, so he can claim he's a liar.
Nah
All the Dim DAs do this
Pin your choice of cheap ammo on the hardcore name full metal jacket meaning you want to mow down village children in Vietnam
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:24 pm to Gaggle
quote:
have a judge on your side
Judge is a democrat too.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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he treated the gun as though it was loaded. So, he was assuming the risk
True = but, I NEVER pick up a gun without checking it myself.
again - if they have evidence that Kyle DID check it, and then lied about it to play dumb - that would be perjury
How that bears on the guilt/innocence of the murder charge ????
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:26 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
Binger is done. Imagine having getting ripped like this on national TV and trying to get a job/raise.
Binger just became a lefty AllStar.
It's his type the FBI/DOJ need - he's gonna make bank and come after people like you and me the rest of his career.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:28 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:
It's his type the FBI/DOJ need - he's gonna make bank and come after people like you and me the rest of his career.
FBI has probably already sent him a job offer.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:28 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:The "Alec Baldwin" defense.
but to not know if a round was chambered or not is a bad thing.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
again - if they have evidence that Kyle DID check it, and then lied about it to play dumb - that would be perjury
I don't think that's what he said. He said he didn't chamber a around. He said he didn't charge the weapon. I don't remember him saying he didn't know whether or not the weapon was charged. I might have missed that.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:
Binger just became a lefty AllStar.
It's his type the FBI/DOJ need - he's gonna make bank and come after people like you and me the rest of his career.
This
If they lose a case they never had whats the difference? Screwing the frick out of Kyle and people like him.
Thats the only goal. Nothing more or less.
Screwing him harder with a BS conviction is just cherries on the tops
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to TigerVespamon
quote:
I don't own an AR15 type weapon. I've fired my brother's AR15, and the .223 ammo was always FMJ. Any of you AR15 baws ever use HP ammo? I'm thinking it would be more likely to jam.
HP will not make the AR jam. It does not expand until it hits something.
For what its worth I use green tips when shooting hogs in my bean fields. I dont want to drop them in the field, I would prefer they make it to the woods and die there. If you have ever spend a couple hours digging rotting hog hide and bones out of a combine you will know why.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to TigerVespamon
Ive seen AR platforms eat HP ammo just fine. Its not a huge hole like a HP 9mm cartridge...the point of the small bullet has a tiny hole, so Ive seen no feed issues.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:29 pm to BuckyCheese
Question, What happens when this goes to the jury? Does it have to be unanimous either way? What if it is split but not evenly?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:30 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
True = but, I NEVER pick up a gun without checking it myself.
again - if they have evidence that Kyle DID check it, and then lied about it to play dumb - that would be perjury
How that bears on the guilt/innocence of the murder charge ????
Case ain’t hanging on that sort of minutia The fact this is the only play this prosecution has, says it all.
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