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re: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Day 7

Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:44 am to
Posted by CBLSU316
Far Right of Left
Member since Jun 2008
11421 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:44 am to
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Post traumatic stress...he will have that for the rest of his life.


Hopefully along with millions of dollars as well when sues the frick out anyone and everyone he can.
Posted by UTMaverick
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2021
578 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:44 am to
You would think the events of the last 4 years would have convinced people the 'justice system' is rarely 'just'.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35516 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:44 am to
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The only reason to not put an innocent defendant on the stand is if the prosecution has other crimes evidence.



I would want to know, in my heart, that I did everything I could in court to defend myself, should an unexpected verdict arrive- including taking the stand.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15767 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:45 am to
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If at this point, with all the evidence, if the jury thinks Kyle is guilty, him testifying or not wouldn’t matter.


This was my thinking. The evidence is stacked overwhelmingly in his favor. Kyle would have to say something incredibly stupid in order to change that.

I still think it's too risky. I hope the defense had a damn good reason for it.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35516 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:45 am to
I also think his own testimony will help should an appeal be needed.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:45 am to
Maybe Kyle wanted to tell his side? maybe Kyle sees the media thinks the Jury is not on his side and doesnt want to sit in Jail saying "what if I went on stand". Maybe his defense advised him not to and he decided this all on his own.


In any-case, he made the decision and its time to let it all play out.


If there is good left in our country, he wins. Nothing else to say.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25848 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:45 am to
quote:

the left will want him to hang regardless of this trial or his innocence. This trial means nothing to them.


Inquisitions rarely ever cared about innocence.

Bad Latin (from Warhammer 40k): Innocentia Nihil Probat
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14369 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:46 am to
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Exactly.

Standing up to three nutjobs with a gun is not the same as being crossexamined by a prosecutor trying to punch holes in his story.

Yeah, the prosecution team really has me worried. They couldn't even get THEIR WITNESSES TO TESTIFY THE WAY THEY WANTED!

Here's my prediction, the prosecutors will look very, very bad in the cross. Wouldn't surprise me if their cross is extremely short.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87207 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:46 am to
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Your tRant bullshite won’t play well here. Just saying.
I seriously don't know why you think I'm bullshitting right now.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35156 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:48 am to
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Y'all... what if the judge allows the testimony to be stricken due to PTSD???

Take the case of a victim of a violent crime taking the stand. Which typically is absolutely required if they're still alive. How often do you think the victim of a violent crime becomes emotional on a witness stand? The answer is more often than not. And there aren't mistrials or exclusion of the testimony in those instances. You already heard the judge ask the appropriate questions to test for reliability along those lines, they were the ones about alcohol or drug influence during this testimony. Those things if found later are an issue. Not becoming emotional because you're coming across as the actual victim.

And I can assure you that the guy's attorneys expected him to become emotional to some extent. You've exaggerated the issue which is why you've gotten numerous responses.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92842 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to
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Here's my prediction, the prosecutors will look very, very bad in the cross. Wouldn't surprise me if their cross is extremely short.


Definitely not a popular opinion, but I agree. They will come across as bullies.
Posted by Gnar Cat21
Piña Coladaburg
Member since Sep 2009
17126 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to
Seeing Kyle's mom is heartbreaking. Can't imagine the hell she's going through and it reminds me of my mom
Posted by Buddy Red
Maringouin, LA
Member since Aug 2007
282 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to
Have to Chime in. I have not watched entire trial, but have followed. Interesting to see the difference in opinion on KR taking the stand. Having been in this situation, more than once, I would SUGGEST that this is one of, if not THE toughest decisions a defense attorney / client have to make. And I can see both sides of the coin regarding the ongoing discussion.

I am as a General premise that the jury WANTS to hear from the defendant. The judge can give all the instruction he / she wishes about "you can't hold his failure to testify against him", they not listening to that anyway. They do want to hear from the defendant.

Some are correct on the feeling that he will be subject to "brutal cross exam", yes he will. And I would not (if his lawyer) worry so much about the dramatic / emotional side as I would worry about a simple answer altering the course of what has occurred thus far. For example, I suspect none of us are 100 percent familiar with every pre trial ruling in this case. If something was prohibited before, one answer that seems / should be simple, can "open the door", and then potentially allow something into evidence previously excluded. (I do not know the "opening the door" case / jurisprudence to cite offhand)

On other hand, it's normally tough to put client on stand in a criminal case. Most do not have pristine criminal history, etc. Most have attitude, and think smartest person in the room. (why they are where they are). In cases like this, everything has gone correct. Why take the risk? Who knows. Perhaps it was the plan all along.

Bottom line, there is no correct bright line answer. No matter what the outcome.

It is not a 2+2=4 situation. Many variables.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28137 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to
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The only reason to not put an innocent defendant on the stand is if the prosecution has other crimes evidence


Wow.

Unbelievably clueless.There's zero reason for him to testify especially since the prosecution has essentially made his case.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
146548 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to
just disputed GrossGrits's assertion that he re-racked the weapon
Posted by SaintsTiger
1,000,000 Posts
Member since Oct 2014
1960 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:51 am to
Defense lawyer just had his hand on the prosecutors chair for about a minute.
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
884 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:51 am to
Oh good Lord. DO NOT give him the gun.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43073 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:51 am to
This is Texas Rangers in the WS type mistake here
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2496 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:51 am to
This is unbelievably stupid.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
32661 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:52 am to
Whew. Dodged a bullet there...
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