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re: Kyle Rittenhouse Jury Deliberation Day 3: Reported Jury is done deliberating for the day
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:33 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:33 pm to BobBoucher
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after reading these, I agree and I’ve changed my mind”.
These types of personalities never change their mind and attempt to save face. You’re smoking the good shite if you think they do.
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:33 pm to MrLSU
Jurys are wacky as hell.
The OJ Simpson trial lasted almost a year from jury swearing-in to final verdict. They deliberated for 4 hours in a trial that was insanely convoluted by both the prosecution and the defense. Think of the hundreds of hours of witness testimony and stacks of evidence to pour through and they decided in four frigging hours.
Kyle’s case is about as textbook of a self-defense case as possible with the state’s only “evidence” being a blurry ultra-zoomed frame of a video and this nutjob jury has been in deliberations for 24 hours.
This is our judicial system.
The OJ Simpson trial lasted almost a year from jury swearing-in to final verdict. They deliberated for 4 hours in a trial that was insanely convoluted by both the prosecution and the defense. Think of the hundreds of hours of witness testimony and stacks of evidence to pour through and they decided in four frigging hours.
Kyle’s case is about as textbook of a self-defense case as possible with the state’s only “evidence” being a blurry ultra-zoomed frame of a video and this nutjob jury has been in deliberations for 24 hours.
This is our judicial system.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:41 pm to The Quiet One
WI Jury handbook
I just scanned through it but didn't note anything about replacing the foreman, other than if they were to be removed entirely from the jury.
I just scanned through it but didn't note anything about replacing the foreman, other than if they were to be removed entirely from the jury.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:42 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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And yet he’s been right this entire time. He has maintained Richards did a shite job with jury selection for weeks now. What are we dealing with now, a stubborn rouge juror that he has been saying would be bad for the defense. He might be an arrogant arse but he’s an arrogant arse who has been right on the money and should have been listened to.
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think it takes an arrogant bleeding vagina attorney to know you were going to have hold-outs on a high-profile, purely political case that's been tried in the MSM for the past year.
Maybe, I'm wrong and the some of you needed him to tell you that. I don't know.
I don't think it took one to tell us Richards is a passive, weak-arse attorney and equally as arrogant as Barnes and wasn't going to share the spotlight with Barnes and let him get the glory.
Regardless, Barnes' hypothesis that the jury foreperson is the rogue juror/holdout is PURELY speculation based on evidence of essentially nothing.
Oh, wait. She often capitalizes the letter K for no reason, thus meaning she is an authoritarian (probably). So, she MUST be the Kyle-hating hold out.
I mean, she might be. But, at this point, it's absolutely nothing more than speculation based on Barnes' imagination.
If Robert Barnes dropped his size 54 pants and shite on the floor, some of you would lick it up.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 6:50 pm to tiger91
quote:Probably not. I talked to Paul Carmouche, who was DA for Caddo Parish back in the 70`s and 80's, about a trial where I was on the jury and Carmouche was the prosecutor. We had one juror who could not vote guilty on 1st degree murder and we ended up agreeing on 2nd degree after 3 days just to get out of there. I told him, that one juror told all of us that he could not do what he testified to in court, which was, he was asked, "if convicted, can you, if evidence warrants, sentence the convicted defendant to the death penalty?". He answered "yes".
Do they know that they can do this
In deliberations, he agreed the guy was guilty as sin, but refused, vote after vote, to concede because he didn't want that on his conscious.
Paul Carmouche told me he remembered the case, and had anyone on the jury passed a note to the judge, the judge would have brought him into court and asked him about it, and likely replaced him with an alternate. I told him, "nobody told us that, or it would have happened."
He was like, "Are you kidding me? Any juror on his or her own can pass a note to the judge. It doesn't have to be from the foreman. I can't believe we overlooked that in the judge's instructions to the jury. That guy deserved the 1st degree charge. That's too bad."
Now, Wisconsin might be different, but in Louisiana, mid 80's,that's how it was. Maybe is still. Anyway, that's how I found out out about it.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:07 pm to Chancellor
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For all we know, one or two of the other jurors is the holdout and she's requesting to view or review evidence to convince them.
If the foreman wasn't a, or the, rogue juror then He wouldn't have said Kyle "placed down" the fire extinguisher. That is the language used by the state. Kyle and the defense have said "dropped." The foreman is a muh feelz white woman trying to force others to agree with her on conviction just to get out of there.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:15 pm to MFn GIMP
Still no verdict? This is crazy. It’s gotta be tomorrow. No way they’re holing up for the weekend.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:30 pm to Chancellor
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The Court just indirectly gave them permission to do their own independent work on the verdict outside of the jury room.
Is that not grounds for a mistrial?. I know I’d be googling shite out of habit.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:31 pm to tiger91
It’s almost like the judge is giving them all the rope he can in an appeal if they come back guilty. Ultimately, he does not want to make this decision.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:32 pm to tiger91
Actually , MrLSU posted this in the big thread:
quote:
I think the Judge just created a mistrial based on Wisconsin Criminal Jury Instruction #50. No juror is allowed to take home any paperwork/evidence/documentation/etc. and all deliberations must be done only with and in front of the other jurors.
Wisconsin Jury Instruction 50
"Do not research any information that you personally think might be helpful to you in understanding the issues presented."
"Do not investigate this case on your own or visit the
scene, either in person or by any electronic means. Do not read any newspaper reports or listen to any news reports on radio, television, over the internet, or any other electronic application or tool about this trial."
"Do not consult dictionaries, computers, electronic applications, social media, the internet, or other reference materials for additional
information."
"This case must be decided by you the jurors, based on the evidence presented in the courtroom."
People not serving on this jury have not heard the evidence, and it is improper for them to influence your deliberations and decision in this case. After this trial is completed, you are free to communicate with anyone in any manner.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:35 pm to tiger91
I wonder if that means only non public info like notes. The judge specifically said no notes only instructions.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:42 pm to MFn GIMP
That’s certainly one way you could speculate.
You (Barnes, rather) could be right. You could also just be reading too much into a choice of phrasing.
But, at this point, no one knows. It’s just speculation (plus opportunism for Barnes).
And all the downvotes in the world won’t change that fact.
You (Barnes, rather) could be right. You could also just be reading too much into a choice of phrasing.
But, at this point, no one knows. It’s just speculation (plus opportunism for Barnes).
And all the downvotes in the world won’t change that fact.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:42 pm to tiger91
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Is that not grounds for a mistrial?.
One of many in this trial.
This is a circus.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:42 am to TDTOM
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Honest question, what is the big deal about bringing to instructions home? They are available online for the whole world to see.
As a matter of law, jury deliberations are secret. Nothing leaves the jury room and a juror is forbidden from talking about or researching or any other activity related to the case outside of the jury room and they are specifically instructed on that point every time they leave the jury room
Posted on 11/19/21 at 11:26 am to dafif
Posobiec is on the Rekieta feed right now if anyone is interested....or wants to be triggered.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 11:29 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Poso did a my pillow commercial
Posted on 11/19/21 at 11:32 am to Bamafan24
Posted on 11/19/21 at 11:34 am to Centinel
NY Post reporting verdict is in will be announced in the next hour
Posted on 11/19/21 at 11:35 am to cajunangelle
Just listened in for 2 minutes. Lawyers talking about how Richards did a bad job even if Kyle is acquitted. What a bunch of insufferable pricks.
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