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Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:26 pm to lpb tiger
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. Floyd was murdered by m. hall his drug dealer
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:26 pm to RazorBroncs
You could’ve shortened that answer to “yes.”
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:27 pm to auggie
quote:So, if Floyd had been laid on his back, he would have just silently and invisibly vomited? It's not like he was being put to bed in a dark room.
Have you ever had to take care of somebody who has overdosed? They frequently choke on their own vomit. If someone is in your custody, you don't want that happening. I know that you want to think that Chauvin was torturing the guy, but that's just not the case.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:28 pm to RazorBroncs
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Have you ever actually looked into excited delirium syndrome and how to combat it? Did you know that it's deadly in itself and a common cause of death amongst multi-drug users under arrest?
Yes. I have looked into “restraint asphyxia” (the less popular name for the phenomena among law enforcement) a little bit.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:29 pm to the808bass
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Those were liberal media points.
That's exactly correct.
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They were what a pharmacist said on this board. And he’s pretty conservative.
You still have not shown what amount of drugs were required for a regular user to OD.
So you ignore testimony entered into court record and go by what you read on here. LMAO
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So, if Floyd had been laid on his back, he would have just silently and invisibly vomited?
No, but keeping a person in that condition facing down, is a good way to avoid a situation where he vomits, and it goes down his lungs. You want to prevent that shite from happening, so that nobody has to deal with it. It's not pleasant for anybody, especially the person who has choked on his own vomit, but hey, you might be into that kind of thing.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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According to the MN statutes they are using, it doesn't exactly mean what it's usual connotation implies.
The charge I would think would be the easiest of the three charges would be 2nd degree manslaughter. And it's not that easy to prove.
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or
I think maybe there was negligence. Maybe there was frustration or anger involved. But you'd need to prove that DC was aware that Floyd's condition was as serious as it was and simply said "frick it".
The other two charges, the actual "murder" charges aren't really even applicable here at all.
I think the prosecution swung for the fences here hoping to get the more serious charges based on a jury that's had to listen to this shite for 11 months now, watch the riots that resulted, etc. They maybe could have gotten Chauvin on some lesser negligence charge or another.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:56 pm to the808bass
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Yes. I have looked into “restraint asphyxia” (the less popular name for the phenomena among law enforcement) a little bit.
Not even close
Ex-DS is a phenomena all by itself, the exact type of restraint technique has nothing to do with it. There's a good chance Floyd would've died from ex-ds had he been simply cuffed in the back of the patrol unit.
You, like AMS, are well beyond your knowledge and experience here. Just accept the fact that you don't know it all concerning this topic, and your preconceived notions were a little off after you've learned and seen more.
It's not hard to do, and doesn't make you less of a man.
What Chauvin did was slightly egregious, yes; but not outside of the realm of entirely accidental. He's on trial for INTENTIONALLY killing Floyd, and there is ZERO facts that prove that. Zero.
What closed-minded individuals who see themselves as intellectuals (like you and AMS) believe, is nothing like real police work and so far off from their intended purpose. It's so far off from any training a federal officer receives, let alone a basic local patrol officer. It is so far off from tbe intended purpose of police in general.
Yes or no - do you think Chauvin INTENDED to kill Floyd? Do you think Chauvin SOLELY killed Floyd? Do you think the drugs in Floyd's system were the reason he "couldn't breathe" and was suffering from a restraint that anyone else would easily survive without that drug and poor physical health cocktail?
Are you aware of how many perps I - or any other law enforcement officer - have put in the prone position with a knee between their shoulders have survived? I've personally done it numerous times and never had anyone die, but I've also never had anyone act like Floyd did upon arrest.
Have you stopped to think that maybe Chauvin just wasn't trained to deal with this very unique and deadly situation, and that's all there is to it? No criminal act or negligence, simply the wrong place at the wrong time in a unique situation with a unique cocktail of drugs and health issues?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:00 pm to RazorBroncs
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You haven't paid any attention to the trial, have you?
Floyd had a pulse up until right before EMS carted him away. But on that same note, we ARE NOT trained in life-saving measures on a perp other than the complete basics like CPR.
We're trained to literally keep a combative perp restrained and subdued until compliance; or in the case of a medical necessity, until EMS can SAFELY provide treatment. Period.
There is no checking a perps vitals, running a tox screen, checking heart rate and 02 saturation, etc. in the heat of the moment and on the scene. All we are concerned about is keeping a potentially dangerous indivudual from injuring or killing us, EMS, bystanders, or any innocent individual.
So many of y'all confuse police and law enforcement responsibilities with EMS and first responder responsibilities. Law enforcement are already at the end of their ropes just keeping a dangerous and combative individual from inflicting further harm. THAT. IS. THEIR. JOB. and it's already dangerous and watered down enough.
Let a man break into your house with a gun to your wife or child's head, and see how concerned you are with making sure the perp is perfectly healthy and able to survive a restraint technique. My bet is that you'd want him or her to be taken down and restrained so they could be hauled away AT ANY COST.
Now what if that perp was claiming he couldn't breathe, that the cuffs were hurting him, that the knee to his back was hurting him? Would you care, or think he was simply bullshitting because he didn't want to be arrested and go to jail?
Thought so...
Clearly you weren't paying attention. Lane and Keung checked for his pulse and couldn't find one minutes before the ambulance arrived. Floyd appeared unconscious minutes before that even.
The rest of your bs is immaterial macho nonsense as Chauvin was kneeling on the neck of a guy he just killed.
But I guess we should ignore all of the senior members of the police who testified and said Chauvin ignored his training and did everything wrong.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:02 pm to mmcgrath
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But I guess we should ignore all of the senior members of the police who testified and said Chauvin ignored his training and
Sad that you're so gullible and just don't see it.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:10 pm to SOSFAN
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so gullible
He's not gullible. He's a leftist propagandist. He just repeats talking points over and over hoping somebody will believe him.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:22 pm to RazorBroncs
You are spot on. The perp was a drug addict that put himself in a bad position of his own doing. To ruin the life of policeman who did not intend to kill the man is a complete travesty of justice.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:36 pm to lpb tiger
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Det. Chauvin murdered George Floyd
Link? Link to verdict as well?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:31 pm to SOSFAN
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You still have not shown what amount of drugs were required for a regular user to OD.
Floyd’s levels were in the range of average for an OD from fentanyl post mortem.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:39 pm to RazorBroncs
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Ex-DS is a phenomena all by itself
Can you link me to a case of restraint asphyxia?
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Yes or no - do you think Chauvin INTENDED to kill Floyd? Do you think Chauvin SOLELY killed Floyd?
No and no.
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He's on trial for INTENTIONALLY killing Floyd, and there is ZERO facts that prove that. Zero.
I agree with that.
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Are you aware of how many perps I - or any other law enforcement officer - have put in the prone position with a knee between their shoulders have survived?
Ballpark how many deaths from restraint asphyxia in law enforcement custody every year?
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Have you stopped to think that maybe Chauvin just wasn't trained to deal with this very unique and deadly situation, and that's all there is to it?
This argument would be more compelling if 1) Chauvin hasn’t specifically undergone training on exactly this type of situation based on the settlement ca. 2013 between the Minneapolis police and the family of another restraint asphyxia case and 2) another cop didn’t suggest turning Floyd on his side.
I’m willing to accept that a couple dozen restraint asphyxia cases are the cost of doing business with the police. But you probably don’t want to post that on social media.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:41 pm to AMS
quote:Then they are not experts. Sorry.
If your reasonable doubt is the prospect of an overdose, well none of the experts share that view.
FWIW, my view initially was that this was a homicide as well. Reason? Because Fentanyl is rapid acting. In a Fentanyl overdose scenario, onset to respiratory depression is brisk. For Fentanyl to have been the cause of death, and given the length of the police encounter prior to restraint, the timing is such that Floyd would have had to consume the drug during the actual encounter shortly before he was taken to the ground.
It turns out that is apparently what happened. It appears from video Floyd swallowed a load during the encounter to get rid of evidence.
You may not know that. But, along with the fact Chauvin & the other officers seem to have followed their department protocol during the incident, it changes the case dramatically.
Should the cops have recognized Floyd was in extremis? Probably. But that is a question of training.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:49 pm to mmcgrath
quote:In fact, we shouldn't ignore that at all. Every cop there acted in the same way, in unison. So either their department training is woefully incompetent and those "senior officers" should be fired, or they are lying, and should be prosecuted.
I guess we should ignore all of the senior members of the police who testified and said Chauvin ignored his training and did everything wrong.
It turns out, Chauvin did not kill the poor guy, a naloxone deficit did. If they would have successfully cuffed Floyd, and brought him to the precinct, he'd have died in the back seat of a squad car in route.
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