re: Killing people who are not attacking you or your countrymen is MURDER and anti-Christ

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The Judaic Law also prohibited Israelites from cursing their parents upon penalty of death. Using your illogic and exact words, if a government wants to impose harsh penalties (including the death penalty) for cursing your father, they have the authority to do so. Your logic, not mine.

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That's not "[my] logic", that's what God's word says. I'm not arguing that the penalty for adultery (or insubordinate children) should be the death penalty. All I'm saying is that the Bible does not treat such a penalty as immoral, therefore it cannot be universally condemned as immoral. That's the logic.

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Stop defending a godless state. We are not to bear the sword as Christians on behalf of a state we know that hates Him and His commandments.

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I'm not defending the state. I'm defending God's word. It is God who tells us to give honor to the government and to obey it for our good. The same government that Jesus gave the example of paying taxes to had Him crucified. The same government that Paul told the Roman Christians to honor and submit to had Christians martyred.

I think you have a completely unbiblical understanding of the role of the government, the authority it has, and the role of the Christian within the civic sphere. You have a fundamentally flawed view from a biblical perspective, and I'm not even talking about specific instances of injustice or immorality. Your entire paradigm is wrong.

Also, the tax collectors, soldiers, and others working for the state during the earthly ministry of Jesus were never told by Him to quit their jobs, only to act morally within their roles.

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HillbillyTiger

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Congratulations.You've been here 2 months today.

You dudes might be fooling some of us, but certainly not all of us.

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Congratulations.You've been here 2 months today.

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Look, another gatekeeper on what and how much I can post. You fit right in with the other mindless brownshirts.

That’s not how that works

Simple questions are hard!

I agree, I hate abortion too!

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are a democrat that's fine with killing babies.

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I’m standing on firm ground to say you fail at reading comprehension.

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St. Matthew ring a bell?

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I thought I was being clear when I was talking about not quitting their jobs because they were government jobs. Matthew was told to be one of the disciples of Jesus. He wasn't told to quit being a tax collector merely because it was a government job for an immoral government.

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Where did Christ tell them to ever act “morally”? Only to render to the state what is the state’s. Not to continue on as a tool of an ungodly govt.

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Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” Soldiers also asked him, “And we, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.” -Luke 3:12-14

Notice that two groups of government employees came to Jesus and He didn't tell either group to quit working for a godless and immoral government. He just told them to act morally in their roles, like I said.

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Your worldview and mine are totally different.

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Seems that way.

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You hold on to your desire to interpret the Holy Scriptures as you see fit…can mean one thing to you and different thing to your wife.

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That's not true. I don't believe we can interpret the Bible "however you see fit", but to seek to understand what God gave us. I don't believe there is an infinite number of interpretations of any given text and that anyone can believe whatever they want about it. We have an obligation to understand the Bible rightly.

If you disagree with how I'm interpreting the Bible, then please explain why, and how I'm wrong to interpret it the way I do. I'm looking at the context of all of Scripture to understand it rightly, so please show me where I'm wrong if you think I am.

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I hold onto the Faith once given and handed down through Holy Tradition as given by Christ to the Apostles and Holy Fathers and without innovation in the Holy Church.

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I disagree with your claim, but I'm not here to argue against Roman Catholicism right now. I'm just trying to show you from the Scriptures that your position about the government is incorrect.

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If you want to white knight for state murder of nameless brigands, go right on ahead. Narrow is the way and wide is the path to destruction.

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I'm not white knighting for the government. I'm defending what the Scriptures teach. I haven't spoken to the morality of any particular instance that you are claiming is immoral. I'm only speaking to general principles of government and what they can and cannot do according to the Scriptures.

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What is justice to you? Are you saying the killing of these humans made in God’s image without any due process or PROOF they’re threatening serious bodily harm against US citizens is just?

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Due process applies to criminal prosecution — not to stopping an ongoing threat. Interdiction is prevention. If someone is transporting highly lethal contraband into the country, that’s already an active danger. Police, the Coast Guard, and the military don’t need a courtroom to intervene; that’s exactly why they’re empowered to act in real time.

And if we’re going to invoke Scripture, let’s do it honestly. The Bible never says governments must wait for a full trial before restraining people who are actively doing harm. Romans 13 explicitly assigns governments the responsibility to confront and restrain evil to protect their citizens. The idea that the state must allow lethal contraband to flow in uncontested because ‘everyone is made in God’s image’ isn’t a biblical principle — it’s an argument invented for this discussion.

If human dignity truly matters, it applies to the tens of thousands killed every year by fentanyl and fentanyl-laced drugs. Smugglers knowingly feed a lethal supply chain into communities. Their victims don’t get warnings, compassion, or due process. Their lives matter too.

First of all it’s not a NEW war. They’ve been poisoning us for decades. Also they are ATTACKING us just not in the usual way with weapons. The drugs are their weapons. Warfare has many faces