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re: Killing people who are not attacking you or your countrymen is MURDER and anti-Christ

Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by TigerSprings
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:22 pm to
Ambrose Letter 25
Augustine City of God 5,24 and Letter 134,4
Clement of Alexandria Stromata 1:27
Thomas Aquinas ST II-II Q64, Part. 2
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:23 pm to
You do not know the real reason behind the efforts
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:23 pm to
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The UCMJ is not the controlling law on this issue


If UCMJ is not, than US Code? Where in US Code is assassination allowed?
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Killing people who are not attacking you or your countrymen is MURDER and anti-Christ
now do abortion
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:27 pm to
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For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. [2] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.


So much free wheeling, out of context Biblical interpretation going on here.

So resisting the Nazi govt was wrong and brought judgement on oneself from God? How about the govt of the USSR by Orthodox dissidents? Stop taking St. Paul’s words out of context based on what Pastor Bobby Ray said it means.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:28 pm to
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If UCMJ is not, than US Code? Where in US Code is assassination allowed?

In the authorization used by Obama to drone a 16 year old AMERICAN in Yemen.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Load Toad
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:30 pm to
These drug smugglers are bringing in product that kills and ruining peoples lives. I say stop product coming in any way possible.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:35 pm to
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Ambrose Letter 25 Augustine City of God 5,24 and Letter 134,4 Clement of Alexandria Stromata 1:27 Thomas Aquinas ST II-II Q64, Part. 2


St Ambrose letter was encouragement to a Judge re: a criminal convicted under the LAW.

St. Clement’s letter was re: proper application of the LAW.

Thomas Aquinas the LAWyer also discussed same.

This discussion is about murdering folks neither charged, arrested, nor tried under any US LAW.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:36 pm to
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These drug smugglers are bringing in product that kills and ruining peoples lives. I say stop product coming in any way possible.


Of course this is true. But when will we take care of the real problem? Instead they motorboat away from the territorial waters of their country and we bust them with the billions of dollars of stuff we have floating and flying out in the same territory.
Trump, solve the real problem!
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:37 pm to
My Jesus has zero problem with defending our nation and it's citizens from the poison those terrorists are attempting to bring into our nation.

Meek and weak are two entirely different things.
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:38 pm to
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In the authorization used by Obama to drone a 16 year old AMERICAN in Yemen.


Hey dude, pay close attention if able…I am not an Obama supporter nor a supporter of any govt official who commits lawless acts. Period.

On reading about this, it is obvious Obama’s DOJ did some evil mental gymnastics to get him and military CoC from being charged.

Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:39 pm to
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This discussion is about murdering folks neither charged, arrested, nor tried under any US LAW.
im curious how you think war is waged?

Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
294 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:40 pm to
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My Jesus has zero problem with defending our nation and it's citizens from the poison those terrorists are attempting to bring into our nation


There is no your Jesus and my Jesus. There is only ONE Jesus Christ. Stop talking heresies.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:41 pm to
You came here and suggested that Narco Terrorists smuggling lethal and addictive narcotics into our country are "not attacking us" and then called us anti-Christian for not agreeing with that asinine take.

Don't lecture us about mental gymnastics.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:41 pm to
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I cited Federal statutes as they are the ONLY laws we have re: drug crimes…that includes interdictions OUTSIDE of territorial waters aka “high seas” by USCG.

So before you conflate the difference, know what you’re talking about.
It's my understanding that those statutes do not apply to military-style attacks on foreign agents or enemies, though.

If the USCG captures someone in a drug bust, they have to take them ashore and try them in a US court using due process, but due process doesn't apply in military-style engagements. For instance, even in a typical drug bust, the USCG doesn't need a warrant or probable cause to board a vessel in open seas like a police officer might need in pulling someone over on the road or searching someone's house.

So, the federal statues don't apply in the same way you are trying to make them apply here, so I don't understand why you cited them. Even if there are no other specific laws that pertain to the situation, citing federal statutes is also irrelevant, as I understand it.

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Please cite in New Testament where Christians are told to “wage just war”
It's derived from the teaching of the totality of Scriptures, not from a singular overt command. If you'd like for me to defend it, I can do that, but I'll just say that it seems that you are lacking in some fundamental understandings of how Christian doctrine works, so I'm afraid I'll have to do more than just provide biblical warrant. I'll have to discuss how doctrine is derived from Scripture, both in direct command within context, as well as from good and necessary consequence of other commands and teachings.

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…funny coming from a Calvinist citing Roman Catholic doctrine.
Just war isn't "Roman Catholic" any more than the Trinity is "Roman Catholic". It's biblical, and therefore I'm happy to believe it even if Rome also teaches it.

I think you have another fundamental misunderstanding: why Protestants disagree with Catholics where they do.
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
294 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:42 pm to
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im curious how you think war is waged?


Under the UCMJ.
Posted by HillbillyTiger
Member since Oct 2025
294 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:43 pm to
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suggested that Narco Terrorists smuggling lethal and addictive narcotics into our country


Never said that. You can’t even define what a narco terrorist is. Get off FoxNews and think for yourself.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:47 pm to
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So much free wheeling, out of context Biblical interpretation going on here.
In the brief perusing of this thread, that's all I've seen from you.

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So resisting the Nazi govt was wrong and brought judgement on oneself from God? How about the govt of the USSR by Orthodox dissidents? Stop taking St. Paul’s words out of context based on what Pastor Bobby Ray said it means.
The quotation given is appropriate within the context of what was stated beforehand, namely that if the government outlaws drug usage and distribution, that Christians (and everyone) have an obligation to obey.

The exceptions from Scripture are any commands to violate God's law. Acts 4:18-20 is a prooftext here.

There is no command of God to take or distribute harmful drugs, so obeying a lawful command by the government is what Christians are expected to do, according to Romans 13 and elsewhere.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2415 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:47 pm to
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ie an invading army crosses the border…nowhere is murdering CIVILIANS on the high seas even remotely righteous.


This is speculation

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Please cite in New Testament where Christians are told to “wage just war”


This is Augustine (I realize it's not the NT):
They who have waged war in obedience to the divine command, or in conformity with His laws, have represented in their persons the public justice or the wisdom of government, and in this capacity have put to death wicked men; such persons have by no means violated the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’
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