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re: Kharg island heavily bombed per POTUS
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:40 pm to Earnest_P
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:40 pm to Earnest_P
Daddy always said: "A rich man has unlimited friends, a poor man very few". Iran's influence in the region goes to zilch without resources from its illegal oil exports.
Btw, Iran made a strategic mistake during negotiations implying they were near the 60% threshold of enrichment. Basically, they created an existential crisis for both Israel and the US. Vowing over and over that you would use a WMD, without regard against your sworn enemies, and then stating you were nearing completion of the capability is pretty threatening. If Iran was using it as ploy to extract money from the U.S. as it had previously under Democratic administrations, we will never know. Absent paying blackmail, the US and Israel had no choice but to eliminate the threatening regime and its military capabilities for executing the threat.
Btw, Iran made a strategic mistake during negotiations implying they were near the 60% threshold of enrichment. Basically, they created an existential crisis for both Israel and the US. Vowing over and over that you would use a WMD, without regard against your sworn enemies, and then stating you were nearing completion of the capability is pretty threatening. If Iran was using it as ploy to extract money from the U.S. as it had previously under Democratic administrations, we will never know. Absent paying blackmail, the US and Israel had no choice but to eliminate the threatening regime and its military capabilities for executing the threat.
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Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:44 pm to Riverside
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would not say the Straits are actually “closed.” There are perceived risks to shipping still that are discouraging some ships from entering.
lol
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:47 pm to HagaDaga
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Though can’t figure out the strategic need of this island.
Recently there were two oil tankers hit by projectiles while they were in Iraqi territorial waters.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:50 pm to TigerintheNO
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Some analysts predict that oil prices could soar to US$150 (£112) a barrel if Kharg is hit.
Why?
There were embargos and sanctions on Iran.
That sounds like wild speculation.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:52 pm to Earnest_P
Tell me how they are “closed” then? Is the great Iranian surface fleet blockading the Straits?
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:15 pm to wdhalgren
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they aren’t scared to die
Maybe a few aren't scared to die, but fear of death is in the genes of every human. Over the millenia, the ones who didn't have that instinct have been efficiently selected out of the gene pool before they could reproduce and raise their young.
You might be well served to study Imperial Japan in WWII (ever hear of Kamikaze pilots, for starters)... we had to use nukes to stop them from fighting to the last man. The code of the Samarai: an honorable death is preferable to a dishonorable life. Seppuku (suicide by disboweling) is preferable to living in shame. We forced the Emperor to choose surrender over extinction... and spiritually broke Japanese history in a sense.
After that you can move on to the Jihadist suicide bombers and the guys who flew hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, which it's hard to believe you did not remember in this particular instance with this particular region and this particular religion at this particular time.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:30 pm to Delupe
Once the representative for Iran looked at the U.S. representatives and told them that they believed they had an inalienable right to enrich and they had enough material for 11 bombs that left Trump with 3 choices.
A- Keep negotiating
B- Do nothing and just let them have the bomb. It’s not worth a war.
C- Use military force
Once Iran admitted they had enough material to make 11 bombs and said by the way our missile programs and support for terrorist proxies are not on the table to be negotiated then that pretty much took option A off the table. It was time for either option B or C.
Option B would leave a lot to chance in the future. You would be giving a group of radical religious zealots the most destructive and powerful weapons in the world and hoping they wouldn’t use it. You would also be hoping they wouldn’t use the nukes as a way to blackmail the world into doing things they wanted done. You would also be hoping that Iran wouldn’t give a few nukes to some of the terrorists proxies under its control. That’s a lot of hoping and wishing considering Iran things the slaughter of innocent people is just a means to an end. They did help plan, fund, train, and support the Oct 7 attacks for example that killed civilians and even infants in extremely brutal ways. They also just slaughtered 30,000 of its own people.
The only real option Trump had was option C. War sucks! It was the only logical choice though. This was the choice of least regret. There is just to much hoping and wishing in letting Iran just have a bomb. It would be placing a lot of trust in people that has never done anything but lie and cheat. The best and safest option is C. Letting Iran just have nukes now and then figuring out later that it was a mistake to do so and try to take them out then would be extremely bloody and expensive.
A- Keep negotiating
B- Do nothing and just let them have the bomb. It’s not worth a war.
C- Use military force
Once Iran admitted they had enough material to make 11 bombs and said by the way our missile programs and support for terrorist proxies are not on the table to be negotiated then that pretty much took option A off the table. It was time for either option B or C.
Option B would leave a lot to chance in the future. You would be giving a group of radical religious zealots the most destructive and powerful weapons in the world and hoping they wouldn’t use it. You would also be hoping they wouldn’t use the nukes as a way to blackmail the world into doing things they wanted done. You would also be hoping that Iran wouldn’t give a few nukes to some of the terrorists proxies under its control. That’s a lot of hoping and wishing considering Iran things the slaughter of innocent people is just a means to an end. They did help plan, fund, train, and support the Oct 7 attacks for example that killed civilians and even infants in extremely brutal ways. They also just slaughtered 30,000 of its own people.
The only real option Trump had was option C. War sucks! It was the only logical choice though. This was the choice of least regret. There is just to much hoping and wishing in letting Iran just have a bomb. It would be placing a lot of trust in people that has never done anything but lie and cheat. The best and safest option is C. Letting Iran just have nukes now and then figuring out later that it was a mistake to do so and try to take them out then would be extremely bloody and expensive.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
“Kang Island” is the #1 baby name in Jackson MS.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:46 pm to 94LSU
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since nobody will ever trust us again.
So they will trust an Iran propped up by China? Have you missed the part where Iran attacked every single Gulf nation in one hell of a tantrum?
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:49 pm to meansonny
China doesn’t care about sanctions, there’s their oil is headed.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 10:07 pm to KiwiHead
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Strategically useless at this point.
This level of stupidity is beyond belief. Change your name to Airhead. I think Shithead is taken
Posted on 3/13/26 at 10:11 pm to IAmNERD
quote:China hasn't betrayed them yet. We have more time than they can count.
So they will trust an Iran propped up by China? Have you missed the part where Iran attacked every single Gulf nation in one hell of a tantrum?
This post was edited on 3/13/26 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 3/13/26 at 10:12 pm to KiwiHead
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Strategically useless at this point. Iran has the Straits closed they probably don't care all that much at this time for Kharg
Did you not read the statement? Good lord.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 10:52 pm to Lee B
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You might be well served to study Imperial Japan in WWII (ever hear of Kamikaze pilots, for starters)... we had to use nukes to stop them from fighting to the last man
So did we kill them all? They surrendered if I recall correctly. Unconditional surrender. Roosevelt even corrected the language in their announcement. Once the outcome was understood, apparently quite a few of them preferred to live. And I'm glad they did because the Japanese are very good people.
Is that the history you had in mind?
This post was edited on 3/13/26 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 12:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
SDV said he would rake this cause Orange said he would in 1988 
Posted on 3/14/26 at 6:10 am to BOHICAMAN
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I wish we wouldn’t do that. Iran can’t export any oil with the strait closed anyways.
The Strait isn’t closed in the sense a door is closed. It’s closed to whomever the Iranians don’t want to let through. Obviously that does not include ships transporting their oil. Chinese ships, for example.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 6:13 am to BOHICAMAN
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It would rather we just occupy it and other islands in the strait.
That would entail heavy American casualties.
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If they don’t capitulate we’ll give the islands to the other gulf states.
What would they do with it? It would basically just be a valve to cut off Iranian oil. And how would they hold onto it in the fact of Iranian hostility? America would have to constantly defend it.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 6:21 am to Timeoday
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They know they are finished.
Are they finished? They have taken a pounding, but as soon as we stand down the IRGC will once again have the monopoly on violence in Iran. We have to depose them to finish them. The question is: can we do that without substantial boots on the ground, which is widely presumed to be a loser for Trump.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 6:25 am to Riverside
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Iran’s current situation is like Japan’s in July 1945. The only “vote” they have is when to surrender.
Truman had an American electorate that was 100% bought in on unconditional surrender. Trump does not even have 50% for that kind of effort.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 6:30 am to meansonny
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Some analysts predict that oil prices could soar to US$150 (£112) a barrel if Kharg is hit.
Why?
There were embargos and sanctions on Iran.
That sounds like wild speculation.
This is not wild speculation at all. There are few products or commodities in the world that have supply and demand curves that are as well known and studied as those of oil. If the supply is reduced by X, analysts can come very close to telling you what the price will be.
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 6:31 am
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