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re: Key Safety Feature Disabled On Blackhawk?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:29 pm to SloaneRanger
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:29 pm to SloaneRanger
They were experienced. But I 100% agree they shouldn’t be flying right across the approach route. Unfortunately, this is just complacency on both the pilots part in my opinion
ETA: Both of the helo pilots fault, not the airliner
ETA: Both of the helo pilots fault, not the airliner
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 9:37 pm
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:31 pm to Toomer Deplorable
1) It is not ADSB on military aircraft. The signal can be picked up as such, but its not the same.
2) It isn't mandatory for military flights and in the case of government continuity I am betting the normal position is off.
3) My son's unit NEVER has the locator on and when the air force carries them they make the air force shut it off as well.
2) It isn't mandatory for military flights and in the case of government continuity I am betting the normal position is off.
3) My son's unit NEVER has the locator on and when the air force carries them they make the air force shut it off as well.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:31 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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so that nobody can track where government officials are being flown.
I'm glad some government official is safe.It only took a hundred lives to make sure that
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:32 pm to SloaneRanger
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So we’re going to conduct said training mission in a way that takes the copter across the landing approach at one of the busiest airports in the country? That’s freaking BS.
This isn't training like drivers ed with no experience.
Jesus, this has been discussed ad nauseum here.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Several potentially contributing factors have been brought up, the the major contributing factor is the inability of the helo to maintain visual separation.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:38 pm to Slevin7
Where were her parents? The first excuse was out of the country!
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:49 pm to SpartanSoul
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This was known and posted in the crash thread the night the crash happened. I saw it as a WTF thing, but it never seemed to get any traction.
I read some news reports speculating that this tracking system may have been disabled yet this now has apparently been confirmed.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:51 pm to JAXTiger16
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This would have done nothing to help the airliner or helo in this scenario
I’m not so sure. According to an overview by the FAA, this tracking system can increase “situational awareness” by providing “near instantaneous” data on the location of aircraft for both ATC and other pilots:
faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/adsb
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:53 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here. Consensus in the comments is that this was an intentional act
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:54 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Why wouldn't she do this recertification at Fort Rucker in BFE Alabama?
There's no major airport within 100 miles of Enterprise, Alabama.
There's no major airport within 100 miles of Enterprise, Alabama.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:54 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Simplest answer - they confused plane ATC was talking about, which was below them and to their right, for the inbound flight coming in from above and to their left? If their heads are turned away from the incoming flight, the lights won't register until right before impact?
ATC told them the CRJ was landing on runway 33. I don't think they would have confused that for a plane that was behind them and taking off from a different runway. At the time of the initial notification, that plane would have still been on the runway.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:55 pm to Kjnstkmn
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Consensus in the comments is that this was an intentional act
I just don’t see how you can get two people into a suicide pact like this. Her and the other pilot would have had to be in on it.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:55 pm to Sam Quint
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That's a different point. You said she didn't belong at the controls of a helicopter.
She didn’t belong in that helicopter. This can’t be argued. 60+ souls are evidence she had no business flying that helicopter.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:57 pm to Nurbis
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ATC told them the CRJ was landing on runway 33
I've not seen transcripts or heard audio. Just going on what I've seen discussed, that there was confusion as to which plane ATC was telling them to get a visual on.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:00 pm to East Coast Band
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Why wouldn't she do this recertification at Fort Rucker in BFE Alabama?
There's no major airport within 100 miles of Enterprise, Alabama.
Sounds like a great place to do a check ride when renewing quali for flying government continuity emergency flights in DC...
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:08 pm to Sam Quint
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What? That's how flying works, annual quals, etc.
Based on the fact she killed the 64 people on that American Airlines flight, she was incompetent
Which means the evaluations were compromised, and she was yet another Kara Hultgreen
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:09 pm to Sam Quint
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Blackhawk was a way underrated 90s country band
I can’t see a single storm cloud in the sky, but I sure can smell the rain.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:16 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Simplest answer - they confused plane ATC was talking about, which was below them and to their right, for the inbound flight coming in from above and to their left? If their heads are turned away from the incoming flight, the lights won't register until right before impact?
I kind of thought that too but those landing lights would have lit up the interior of the Blackhawk like it was next to the sun. There’s just no possible way they didn’t see that.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:21 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I read some news reports speculating that this tracking system may have been disabled yet this now has apparently been confirmed.
Just one of the Tweets below.
www.adsbexchange.com was on it right away and that is their bread and butter. There are no real investigative journalists left, or they would have been all over it.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 10:41 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Did she have to re-qualify after her time at the White House?
Is it typical for a Captain to have (only) 450 flying hours? That seems kinda low.
Is it typical for a Captain to have (only) 450 flying hours? That seems kinda low.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:07 pm
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