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Kav and ACB are complete SCOTUS busts

Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:41 am
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
26571 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:41 am
They sure do side with leftists Justices a lot...


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a 6-3 decision, the court ruled the North Carolina Supreme Court was within its authority when it concluded a Republican-drawn map of the state’s congressional districts was a partisan gerrymander under the state’s constitution.

The ruling dismissed the argument known as “independent state legislature theory,” which some Republicans believe limits the authority of state courts to strike down election laws.

Conservatives had hoped the high court would broaden the power of state legislatures which are often under GOP control.

Voting rights groups applauded the decision believing it closes down a path to what could have been a radical overhaul of the nation’s election laws.
The court’s three Democratic appointees were joined in the majority by Chief Justice John Roberts as well as Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Sam Alito and Neil Gorsuch dissented.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128149 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:43 am to
I was super reticent when Kav was the nominee because he was a career swamp creature.

I hated what the left did to him and thought it was one of the most egregious political persecutions in history.

But he was, in fact, a swamp creature.

Again.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
26571 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:44 am to
The Fla Latina judge would have been much more hard-line than ACB as well, but her and Kav were basically locks to overturn Roe.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39554 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:45 am to
You knew CJ John Bush Roberts would join the Minority Kooks. Barrett and Kavanagh have no principles and go along to get along because they're afraid of Democrats.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
4639 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:47 am to
Trump was only given appointment choices that Mitch (GOPe uni-party side) would let get thru the senate.
F the GOPe.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
89115 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:48 am to
I don’t know enough about their voting record to discuss it.

But I will say that I hate the fact that many on the right think they’re busts while the left still paints them as evil far right assholes.

It would be refreshing for the media to give them proper due while acknowledging the left leaning judges are the ones with political intentions.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128149 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Trump was only given appointment choices that Mitch (GOPe uni-party side) would let get thru the senate.
F the GOPe.



It is hilarious that you think this is a defense of Trump
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
26516 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:49 am to
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Trump was only given appointment choices that Mitch (GOPe uni-party side) would let get thru the senate. F the GOPe


Good Lord
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8520 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:56 am to
I don’t hate this decision.

Bet a lot of you would be upset if it was California gerrymandering districts.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80105 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:58 am to
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Bet a lot of you would be upset if it was California gerrymandering districts.


I'm pretty sure they already upheld something similar for New York.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103174 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:01 pm to
My deal is that “gerrymandering” must be consistently defined.

How is it “gerrymandering” to create more districts for one party than the others when it is also a requirement to carve out districts as set-asides for one group which effectively belong to only one of the two parties?

If a minority majority district is required, it often necessitates an unnaturally shaped district to pull off and effectively super-concentrates one party into the district. But that one is OK because that is politically approved under the VRA.


I want sanity in redistricting and having mandatory set-asides is crap if there isn’t a realistic district that would compose a minority majority district.

A second one of those in Louisiana is damn near impossible because of where the populations are that would make up such a district.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4769 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

They sure do side with leftists Justices a lot...


DeSantis on trump's SCOTUS picks:

RD: Well, actually, I would say we’ll do better than that. I mean, I respect the three appointees he did, but none of those three are at the same level of Justices Thomas and Justice Alito. I think they are the gold standard, and so my justices will be along the lines of a Sam Alito and a Clarence Thomas.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103174 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:04 pm to
For every Thomas or Alito, you tend to have far more like Kennedy and Roberts.

Trump’s choices aren’t necessarily home runs but they aren’t total clusterfricks like some of the guys that Reagan and 41 pushed through.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:04 pm to
I warned this board about ACB and cajunangelle lost her mind. She called me a misogynist

A true conservative, that one.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4769 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:06 pm to
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For every Thomas or Alito, you tend to have far more like Kennedy and Roberts.

Trump’s choices aren’t necessarily home runs but they aren’t total clusterfricks like some of the guys that Reagan and 41 pushed through.


Yep, unfortunate but true. The Neil Gorsuch is a bad arse.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
31859 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:06 pm to
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Bet a lot of you would be upset if it was California gerrymandering districts.




i don't like gerrymandering, but i like federalism and local control more than i like DC making a decision for me.

if the people of NC elected people that enforced/voted for this, then it's incumbent of the people of NC to unelect them if they don't like it. Not get SCOTUS involved.

it'd be a better world if we just look disgustedly at California for the laws they enacted and then moved on with our lives instead of worrying about a law Texas or California enacted being challenged up the courts to effect us all.

you want abortion, drugs, high taxes and a bunch of homeless enablement, and medium gun laws move to CA. You want weed, no abortion, and no homeless, and constitutional carry move to Oklahoma. You want no abortion, no weed, moderate homelessness and constitutional carry, move to Texas. You want weed, abortion, and decent gun laws, move to Colorado.

Just let the states do what the states do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Trump was only given appointment choices that Mitch (GOPe uni-party side) would let get thru the senate.
F the GOPe.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

My deal is that “gerrymandering” must be consistently defined.

How is it “gerrymandering” to create more districts for one party than the others when it is also a requirement to carve out districts as set-asides for one group which effectively belong to only one of the two parties?

If a minority majority district is required, it often necessitates an unnaturally shaped district to pull off and effectively super-concentrates one party into the district. But that one is OK because that is politically approved under the VRA.


I want sanity in redistricting and having mandatory set-asides is crap if there isn’t a realistic district that would compose a minority majority district.

A second one of those in Louisiana is damn near impossible because of where the populations are that would make up such a district.

Gerrymandering is a stupid term from a purely philosophical lens b/c it assumes only 2 parties, which is faulty logic for an overarching legal concept. From that rhetorical genesis, the whole argument is built on an unproven assumption.

However, when they use much more specific criteria (like racial representation), it makes the argument more logically sound, b/c we can define race a lot easier than we can define the abstract concept of political parties (although neither is 100% settled).
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21456 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:10 pm to
This doesn't sound bad. If NC needs to broaden the power of the legislature then update the laws for that. Dont just hope for a court ruling allowing your unchecked increase of power.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:10 pm to
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if the people of NC elected people that enforced/voted for this, then it's incumbent of the people of NC to unelect them if they don't like it. Not get SCOTUS involved.

The NC Supreme Court, as in the state supreme court, is the one who made this ruling. The USSC upheld state's rights (just not state legislator's rights).
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