re: Kamala Harris: Mike Pence Refusing to Meet Women Alone Is ‘Outrageous

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Sure. But Pence has been doing this forever so it's very jjbot of him to try to spin it

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I've been doing it since the early 90's.

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By the logic of Pence’s behavior, any female co-workers should be seen primarily as sexual objects and potential temptresses, not as colleagues. And by the same logic, men lack the self control to avoid their sexual impulses? They are simply unable to control themselves around women, without their wives there to chaperone them. Both of these stereotypes are insulting and limiting to both genders.

In addition, women could lose opportunity at promotions and equal access if only males can be met alone. It could also become a legal issue.

Example: Female staffers of Congressmen who follow this rule are routinely barred from private meetings, from driving with their male bosses and from evening events.

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What if Pence were a muslim? They turn that around and do not allow women to be around men who are not family and without a chaperone. Would that be as outrageous?

But of course a muslim would be protected from ridicule by liberals and the MSM.

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Sure. But Pence has been doing this forever so it's very jjbot of him to try to spin it

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Sorry your tiny caveman brain won't let you understand the concept of someone being ahead of their time.

If alleged suspects of the #metoo type crimes would be able to keep their identity anonymous until proven guilty, a lot of this would stop. But no, the media insists on posting mug shots and articles about 'alleged' suspects before facts are out.

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Huh. Weird. Growing up my parents taught me it was to protect the woman from accusations/"locker room talk" and to protect her reputation.

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Ah, so according to you, women can’t protect themselves. Sexist, patriarchal apologist.

No means no, Kamala

When my SO had roommates she thought I was crazy for not staying at her house without her there. I’m not getting metoo’d.

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an entire ideology has taken the position that NO ONE in the female population is to be questioned.

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It frightens me to my core that most people don't see how nefarious that is.

The irony is that the people pushing the notion of accusation = guilt are the ones who scream "Fascist" the loudest....

The dumbing down of America is intentional and nearly complete.

Rather than diminishing your good points by downvoting or ignoring them, let me try to do them justice.

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Devils Advocate

By the logic of Pence’s behavior, any female co-workers should be seen primarily as sexual objects and potential temptresses, not as colleagues. And by the same logic, men lack the self control to avoid their sexual impulses? They are simply unable to control themselves around women, without their wives there to chaperone them. Both of these stereotypes are insulting and limiting to both genders.

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Although the logic, implications, and potential consequences you describe are accurate they don't diminish that they're "stereotypes" which we both know exist in reality, however cartoonish, characterized, or exaggerated they may be. Human nature is human nature in all its lapsed glory and its appalling frailty.

I think Pence's "logic" recognizes this but more importantly takes into account the "me too" environment currently pervasive.

As an aside, some many years ago I worked briefly in an organization whose newly hired sales manager had managed to have two major makeovers, crowns and other major dental work and breast enhancement surgery by suing two of her previous employers and their corporations for what was then a rather novel but budding sexual harassment cause of action. I'm in my mid sixties now and was in my early thirties then.

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In addition, women could lose opportunity at promotions and equal access if only males can be met alone. It could also become a legal issue. Example: Female staffers of Congressmen who follow this rule are routinely barred from private meetings, from driving with their male bosses and from evening events.

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All true. Very possible. And I dare say that there's, at this time, a fertile environment for employment discrimination based on the "no private meeting" theory. If there's not now, there soon will be.

On one hand we have "me too" "accuser must be believed" sexual harassment whose only defense might be "we were never alone together" which rolls conviently to "we could never meet alone" employment discrimination. Wow. Just wow.

Pence's stance is absolutely outrageous, but that's because it shouldn't be needed. It's only needed because people like Harris have supporters that make false accusations about men. And people like Harris have supporters that will have no issue destroying a man's reputation even if the accusation is 100 percent fake.

Every time a woman makes a fake accusation, it sets the "women's movement" back more and more.

I have no doubt stances like the one Pence has, absolutely impairs career-oriented women. And it sucks. But rather than be mad at Pence, they need to be mad at the women whose false accusations - and the media mob that runs with them - that makes these protections necessary.

By the way, I've dined with women alone on work trips and for work meetings and will continue to do so, because it's pretty hard to avoid it. However, it's always in public, never in a hotel restaurant, etc.