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re: Just pardoned and released!! I’m back!! AMA coming in a day or two
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:13 pm to Rex Feral
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:13 pm to Rex Feral
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Waruch found Kadir agitated, and initially struggled while he attempted to secure his arms with zip-ties.Arthur Rizer, writing in The Atlantic, reports that Waruch did tell Richmond to "shoot him if he moves." Kadir did calm down and Waruch was able to secure his arms. Richmond shot Kadir as Waruch lead him back to where the captives were being assembled. Richmond said he saw Kadir "lunge" at Waruch, although it is widely reported that Kadir merely tripped, and fell against Waruch. Richmond claimed he wasn't aware that Kadir's limbs were secured.
So OP helped and watch him get secured then shot him as he was cooperating.
Yeah dawg that’s not in the heat of the moment, he knew he was a prisoner, calmed, secured and being escorted.
Also just because someone gave the order to kill if he moves doesn’t mean it was legal order depending on rules of engagement, SOP, and protocol at the time, especially from a sergeant. There’s a reason why he was charged and prosecuted.
Hard knowing full details going off that wiki though.
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Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:14 pm to roadGator
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Served three years for manslaughter.
Sentenced 5 years for J6 shenanigans.
Hmmmmm
Maybe the felony stuff was a multiplier but. Comparing those two above makes one say what the frick.
Definitely. Why I'm more in the frick the govt boat than beating him up for past stuff.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:15 pm to BigEdLSU
Glad you are back
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:16 pm to PowerTool
I don't support beating up cops under any realistic circumstance, but I don't have the same feelings about the 2020 election (or at least the theories being promoted as of Jan 6) as others.
I view it sort of like the people who called Trump Hitler but then came out and posted social media condolences and feigned outrage over the assassination attempt. He's Hitler but you're (purportedly) upset someone tried to kill the new Hitler?
If someone is convinced that Jan 6 was a righteous struggle by whatever means necessary to save the country, I wouldn't think pushing around cops is a bright line.
I view it sort of like the people who called Trump Hitler but then came out and posted social media condolences and feigned outrage over the assassination attempt. He's Hitler but you're (purportedly) upset someone tried to kill the new Hitler?
If someone is convinced that Jan 6 was a righteous struggle by whatever means necessary to save the country, I wouldn't think pushing around cops is a bright line.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:18 pm to roadGator
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Richmond was 20 when an Army court-martial panel convicted him of voluntary manslaughter and sentenced him to three years of military confinement for killing a handcuffed Iraqi civilian near Taal Al Jai in February 2004. Richmond was incarcerated at Fort Sill in Oklahoma and also received a dishonorable discharge from the Army.
The Army said Richmond used a rifle to fatally shoot Muhamad Husain Kadir, a cow herder, in the back of the head from about six feet away after the man stumbled. During Monday's sentencing, Richmond told the judge that a superior officer had told him to shoot the man if he moved again.
“It was a mistake,” Richmond said. “It was a mistake by a young soldier.”
What is most outrageous here to me is why a man of that age was needlessly put into such situation. What a disastrous quagmire.
NOTE BENE: It is not my intention to excuse or defend this shooting. Indeed, since we apparently have the person allegedly involved here, he can provide his own explanation or defense of his actions if he so chooses.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:18 pm to stout
There's even an Atlantic article about the discharge. And surprisingly enough the Atlantic author was sympathetic towards him.
Richmond was not even shown the same grace we allow to law enforcement officers in the United States when their good-faith use of lethal force turns out to be a mistake. According to the official standard currently followed by the FBI, the use of lethal force is deemed a "good shoot" when an "agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person" -- even if that "reasonable belief" turns out to be wrong.
It is simply unreasonable to hold soldiers serving in a war zone to a higher policing standard than that to which we hold actual police officers serving U.S. cities.
Richmond was not even shown the same grace we allow to law enforcement officers in the United States when their good-faith use of lethal force turns out to be a mistake. According to the official standard currently followed by the FBI, the use of lethal force is deemed a "good shoot" when an "agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person" -- even if that "reasonable belief" turns out to be wrong.
It is simply unreasonable to hold soldiers serving in a war zone to a higher policing standard than that to which we hold actual police officers serving U.S. cities.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:18 pm to momentoftruth87
The wiki page is pulling from reporting of The Atlantic
The same rag that said Trump cussed out Mexicans over funeral costs and wanted to be Hitler
I swear this thread is proof that the right wing in America will never be a serious entity. Dude earned a presidential pardon and wanted to share the good news, and people here can’t resist taking a shite on him.
The left doesn’t do this for any of their agitators. They bail them out of jail and bury reports on them.
Unbelievable
The same rag that said Trump cussed out Mexicans over funeral costs and wanted to be Hitler
I swear this thread is proof that the right wing in America will never be a serious entity. Dude earned a presidential pardon and wanted to share the good news, and people here can’t resist taking a shite on him.
The left doesn’t do this for any of their agitators. They bail them out of jail and bury reports on them.
Unbelievable
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:20 pm to BigEdLSU
Did you drop the soap?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:23 pm to OBReb6
I think it presents a lot of ripe topics for discussion, though.
I'll admit, my first instinct is that people who make dumb decisions and who may have beaten some cops with batons/etc. getting pardons alongside more innocent people isn't ideal.
But it shines a light on where we're at as a society, how we think the rule of law is functioning, how we think democracy/liberalism are functioning, etc.
We've seen Jan 6 dudes rung up on BS, we've seen abortion protestors portrayed as violent for accidentally closing the door on someone's hands - it's a repeated theme with the last corrupt administration. And of course, Trump's own prosecution/persecution.
So, are we going to try to reclaim the rule of law/restore norms/etc.? Or are we going to violate said "norms" to try and guard against future/further encroachment by our enemies? Some of both?
I'll admit, my first instinct is that people who make dumb decisions and who may have beaten some cops with batons/etc. getting pardons alongside more innocent people isn't ideal.
But it shines a light on where we're at as a society, how we think the rule of law is functioning, how we think democracy/liberalism are functioning, etc.
We've seen Jan 6 dudes rung up on BS, we've seen abortion protestors portrayed as violent for accidentally closing the door on someone's hands - it's a repeated theme with the last corrupt administration. And of course, Trump's own prosecution/persecution.
So, are we going to try to reclaim the rule of law/restore norms/etc.? Or are we going to violate said "norms" to try and guard against future/further encroachment by our enemies? Some of both?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:24 pm to OBReb6
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I swear this thread is proof that the right wing in America will never be a serious entity
Oh this guy has no effect on that? You sure?
Yep the people who are at home minding their business are the problems making maga look bad
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:24 pm to roadGator
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The the black kid have a shite ton of priors?
nope. first offense
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:24 pm to BigEdLSU
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We were antagonized and agitated into violence and such an unruly protest.
Big Ed isn’t really into personal responsibility. Always someone else’s fault apparently.
Dude you got off light and were lucky to get your freedom back. Hope you live a quiet, unremarkable life from here on out.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:26 pm to OBReb6
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I swear this thread is proof that the right wing in America will never be a serious entity. Dude earned a presidential pardon and wanted to share the good news, and people here can’t resist taking a shite on him.
Correct. And these same pussies were ok with Ashley Babbitt being shot unarmed. If that was the left they would have burned cities down. Recucklicans stayed silent.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:26 pm to Rex Feral
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It is simply UNCONSCIONABLE to hold soldiers serving in a war zone to a higher policing standard than that to which we hold actual police officers serving U.S. cities.
FI!
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:27 pm to Pettifogger
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I'll admit, my first instinct is that people who make dumb decisions and who may have beaten some cops with batons/etc. getting pardons alongside more innocent people isn't ideal.
But it shines a light on where we're at as a society, how we think the rule of law is functioning, how we think democracy/liberalism are functioning, etc.
This is exactly the point. It’s not 1950 anymore. People refuse to see what time it is.
Guess what happens when you hold to your principles and your enemy is morally bankrupt and does not? You lose
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So, are we going to try to reclaim the rule of law/restore norms/etc.? Or are we going to violate said "norms" to try and guard against future/further encroachment by our enemies? Some of both?
I’d say some of both. I think there needs to be a harsh few years if we were serious about turning things around. If we think it’s just going to correct itself by us having the constitution on our side (which has been relatively meaningless for decades) then we are lying to ourselves.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:28 pm to BigEdLSU
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Those posts were from last year the op and this are my first posts in a year. I’m on a phone on the road headed back I’ll do a AMA once I’m back home in a day or two
Sorry bro, I didn't notice it was January 2024 on your post history.
Welcome home MAGA patriot and please forgive me for the careless post earlier today.
You are officially a PT forum America First/MAGA legend from this day forward.
:usa: :usa:
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:29 pm to Rex Feral
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It is simply unreasonable to hold soldiers serving in a war zone to a higher policing standard than that to which we hold actual police officers serving U.S. cities.
I agree. Especially at such a young age.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:29 pm to momentoftruth87
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Oh this guy has no effect on that? You sure?
I think he made a poor decision I wouldn’t have made, but my general MO is no enemies to the right, because we can’t afford to purity spiral and cast out who we have, for better or worse.
The entire machine is against us, and they don’t play by the rules.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 3:30 pm to OBReb6
I don’t disagree but people who think the guy made poor choices aren’t the bad guys here like some are making us. I even said in my first post that I’m glad he’s free.
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