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re: Just in: El Salvador announces the US has dropped off a new batch of cargo
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:22 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:22 pm to SallysHuman
Agree but the production value of all this makes it feel... fake. I'll gladly be wrong though.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:22 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Thanks. I can see where your policy concerns trump my legal ones.
You are a Pharisee.
I am an American, concerned with American lives and safety, above and beyond legal ramifications for illegal criminal aliens .
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:34 pm to Aubie Spr96
frick right off cock sucker.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:34 pm to SallysHuman
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You are a Pharisee.
Now THAT'S a serious accusation that I will pause to consider as a flawed, but sincere, Christian.
My initial reaction is that I am not. Our Constitution and its protections of liberty are the essence of what makes America great. So, I don't think I am following the letter of the law at the expense of its spirit.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
What about illegally being here doesn’t sit right with you.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Did Homan get permission from Boasberg frick haha!
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:42 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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IvoryBillMatt
Remember, we are speaking of uninvited, illegal, criminal aliens. Giving them the same
quote:as law abiding citizens, is, in my opinion,
protections of liberty
quote:, the spirit and letter of which was expressly designed for Americans.
following the letter of the law at the expense of its spirit.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:46 pm to Aubie Spr96
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This may be the most disturbing post I’ve ever read on the Poli Board. Even getting one of these wrong isn’t worth it. The power you give them now to do something you want will be the same power they use against you. Write it down.
Won't have to worry about it because I won't be in another country illegally.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:37 pm to SallysHuman
The Constitution applies to all people subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Its protections are not limited to citizens.
Now as a functional matter, declaring people to be illegal aliens and removing them from federal district court jurisdiction is a good way to get around that.
Here's a good explanation on the Constitutional rights for noncitizens (careful, it's nuanced)
Article I, Section 8, Clause 18:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States. In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.
Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
Yet the Supreme Court has also suggested that the extent of due process protection may vary depending upon [the alien’s] status and circumstance. In various opinions, the Court has suggested that at least some of the constitutional protections to which an alien is entitled may turn upon whether the alien has been admitted into the United States or developed substantial ties to this country.
Thus, while the Court has recognized that due process considerations may constrain the Federal Government’s exercise of its immigration power, there is some uncertainty regarding the extent to which these constraints apply with regard to aliens within the United States.
Now as a functional matter, declaring people to be illegal aliens and removing them from federal district court jurisdiction is a good way to get around that.
Here's a good explanation on the Constitutional rights for noncitizens (careful, it's nuanced)
Article I, Section 8, Clause 18:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States. In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.
Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
Yet the Supreme Court has also suggested that the extent of due process protection may vary depending upon [the alien’s] status and circumstance. In various opinions, the Court has suggested that at least some of the constitutional protections to which an alien is entitled may turn upon whether the alien has been admitted into the United States or developed substantial ties to this country.
Thus, while the Court has recognized that due process considerations may constrain the Federal Government’s exercise of its immigration power, there is some uncertainty regarding the extent to which these constraints apply with regard to aliens within the United States.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:46 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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IvoryBillMatt
I read all of that.
It's from LINK
Do YOU have anything to say or just copypasta you failed to link?
You get a dv for the uncredited copy/paste.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/31/25 at 1:56 pm to IvoryBillMatt
When the previous admin just left the border wide open, all of that went out of the window.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:51 pm to SallysHuman
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Do YOU have anything to say or just copypasta you failed to link?
We're not here for term papers. That summation is pretty standard.
Do you have any case law that says Constitutional protections apply only to citizens? The plain wording is clear....
actually, this is a useless conversation.
The Trump Administration is acting in am excellent manner to avoid judicial scrutiny. I'm mostly OK with that. It just seems that there should be some minimum due process (including right to examine witnesses) to make the government prove that the person is a murderer or a member of a terrorist organization before effectively sentencing that person to life in prison in El Salvador.
Cheers. I hope Trump 2.0 keeps racking up the victories for the US.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 3:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Bad Hombres. frick em, good riddance.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 3:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
You are just hate to see it
Posted on 3/31/25 at 4:10 pm to Aubie Spr96
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This may be the most disturbing post I’ve ever read on the Poli Board. Even getting one of these wrong isn’t worth it.
“If it saves just one life”?
Was WW2 worth fighting? Surely Roosevelt knew that far more lives would be crushed than in these deportations. We could save the lives of everyone who annually die during police confrontations simply by getting rid of the police. I could go on in this vein, but you surely get the point.
As I wrote before, the complicity of the Democrats have taken away all of our more humane options. Full speed ahead.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 6:49 pm to NussBusDriver
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Won't have to worry about it because I won't be in another country illegally.
What about taking a vaccine? Authoritarianism is always bad despite the cause or the person in authority.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 6:52 pm to HeadCall
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like how we’re making hype videos for our mass deportations like we’re gearing up for SEC football season
It just means more
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