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re: Just a quick reminder, about 20-30% of Americans supported our independence.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:19 am to Irish Knuckles
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:19 am to Irish Knuckles
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checks out with the 25% that shoulder everything.
eerily close to the 80/20 rule
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:25 am to ItNeverRains
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We need smaller nation states with more local power and no conglomerate of assholes in one location above all.
Fatal flaw of our republic.
It’s almost like we had it, right there in the palm of our hands.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:33 am to Bass Tiger
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You won’t find that information on the internet but you will find it on Ancestry.com if I gave you my grandfather’s surname.
Isn't ancestory.com on the internet?
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:47 am to ChineseBandit58
Argylshire representing. My paternal ancestor arrived on The Unity in 1650. He fought on the side of the crown against Cromwell and was taken as POW after they were routed at the Battle of Dunbar. Indentured servant until he gained his freedom and settled in the Shenandoah. His grandchildren migrated to Western NC around Rutherford in the 1740s. Grandfather on moms side arrived in Charleston SC in the 1730s.
To the OPs point, there is a great book called 1775- A Good Year for Revolution written by Kevin Phillips that explains better than any other book that I have read on the subject the motivations to either join, stay neutral, or remain loyal to the crown along revional religious and economic lines. Each area (ex:south vs New England vs Mid-Atlantic ) were all very different in their motivations. Highly recommended read.
To the OPs point, there is a great book called 1775- A Good Year for Revolution written by Kevin Phillips that explains better than any other book that I have read on the subject the motivations to either join, stay neutral, or remain loyal to the crown along revional religious and economic lines. Each area (ex:south vs New England vs Mid-Atlantic ) were all very different in their motivations. Highly recommended read.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:21 am to TrueTiger
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eerily close to the 80/20 rule
spot on as far as i'm concerned.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:21 am to Dirk Dawgler
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there is a great book called 1775- A Good Year for Revolution written by Kevin Phillips that explains better than any other book that I have read on the subject the motivations to either join, stay neutral, or remain loyal to the crown along revional religious and economic lines. Each area (ex:south vs New England vs Mid-Atlantic ) were all very different in their motivations. Highly recommended read.
thank you for that info - I will surely obtain a copy.
I have been zeroing in on my revolutionary ancestry - I have lots of them - practically every ancestor I have had been in America since before the revolution. I only know of a few dozen who were not born here. I do have 3 ancestors whose birth date in America is later than 1830. - all my other ancestry has been at least born in America since 1830.
I've been researching my genealogy since I was a kid listening to my dad talking about his ancestry in Alabama and North Carolina. He only took one vacation in his life - we went to Barbour County Alabama in 1946 to visit the area where his grandfather left for Louisiana a century before. Found the graves of many ancestors there.
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My paternal ancestor arrived on The Unity in 1650. He fought on the side of the crown
God Save the Queen
I have quite a number of Tories in my ancestry also - it was about 70/30 with respect to those I know who have documented allegiance. But over half who were here have no recorded allegiance that I have found.
This post was edited on 9/9/23 at 8:26 am
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:43 am to Bass Tiger
Were there documented polls in 1776 asking people who they were supporting?
Some of y’all are gullible as shite. This dude is going to drop percentages from 250 years ago with absolutely no data backing up his claim and the dumbshits who are on this board just eat it up.
Some of y’all are gullible as shite. This dude is going to drop percentages from 250 years ago with absolutely no data backing up his claim and the dumbshits who are on this board just eat it up.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:51 am to ChineseBandit58
By the start of the revolutionary war, his male grandchildren all fought against the crown. One of my GFs was in Washington’s CIC guard regiment and present with him at Yorktown when Cornwallis surrendered. I have beef able to document 12 GFs contributions to the revolution and 1 who was a Tory. He was stripped of all his land holdings by local magistrate court after the war but wasn’t hanged.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:52 am to Bass Tiger
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I’ve heard several historians tell of the breakdown of the colonists and their loyalty …. 30% or more were loyal to the Crown.
Oh well if you’ve HEARD “several historians” say it, then I believe you with no facts to back it up.
Again, where does a quantitative number of 30% come from?
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My father’s side of the family came over from Scotland as indentured servants, my great, great, great grandfather died in his late 50’s drying gunpowder during the Revolutionary War.
Ok…. How does this prove 30%?
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You won’t find that information on the internet but you will find it on Ancestry.com
So let me get this straight… I won’t find it on the internet… but I will find it on the internet on ancestry? Baw….
Posted on 9/9/23 at 9:05 am to berrycajun
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e badass revolutionaries
Well, today's "badass revolutionaries" get a check from the same 'Government' which is nullifying the Constitutional Principles of the which they are paid to protect and defend. The Founders "feared a Central Bank more than a Standing Army". So...?
Said 'Government' prepares for the coming "engineered collapse via "Cloward-Piven" strategy toward "fundamental change", and the money printing guarantees that the USD goes down in order for "The Great Reset" to take it's place. "Lest ye worship the Beast, neither will ye be able to buy and sell". Even Revolutionaries have to eat and feed their families.
The Left watched (as this Forum did) that 'JohnMarkSpeaks' dude's video "Why the Right will win the coming Civil War" and went right to work changing the demographics by importing via an open Border, tens of millions - many hardened street warriors - who will fight for the government subsidized money of the which feeds their families.
It will ultimately be Jesus that steps in "for the sake of the elect" after our best efforts to unite and save Humanity by 'herding cats' instead of telling the truth goes down in flames. Lesson learned: Fermi Paradox; We can't cut it without help from 'Above'.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 9:29 am to blowmeauburn
quote:and trashy filth like yourself needs to get better at user names
You baws have to get better at your internet skills.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 9:38 am to Bass Tiger
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the rest were indifferent, relatively fat and happy.
Yeah, and the occupying Brits trusted those barbers and restaurant owners. That was a mistake.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 6:45 pm to TrueTiger
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That's right.
And I think MAGA is at least a solid 1/3 today.
Then there is about 30% leftist/communist and the rest are playing in the middle of the road hoping to not get run over.
Only about 30% of the population is registered Republican and MAGA doesn't even have a majority there. You'd be lucky if 10% of the population considered themselves MAGA.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 10:30 pm to AU86
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My father’s side of the family came over from Scotland as indentured servants, my great, great, great grandfather died in his late 50’s drying gunpowder during the Revolutionary War. You won’t find that information on the internet but you will find it on Ancestry.com if I gave you my grandfather’s surname.
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Isn't ancestory.com on the internet?
Technically y’all are correct, the information is obtainable on the internet through Ancestry.com but I doubt if you did a simple Google search for revolutionaries who died drying gun powder will get a hit for my great, great, great grandfather. Maybe I should try….lol!
Oops, I was wrong.
Adonijah Peacock made gunpowder for the Continental Army on his farm which was located about two miles from here on what is now Brannin Road. In January 1777, he was killed when gunpowder he was drying exploded.
The death of my great, great, great grandfather.
If you read the link it’s pretty crazy. They had no good method to quickly dry gun powder in the 1700’s so Adonijah would dry the gun powder over a charcoal fire/embers in a pot/kettle. One would have to know it was dangerous but when General Washington is needing powder you take some calculated risks.
Posted on 9/9/23 at 10:35 pm to Bass Tiger
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Meaning what?
That you suck at using the internet and therefore only utilize it for reinforcing your previously held beliefs.
It's not your fault you're bad at it, but it is your responsibility.
Posted on 9/10/23 at 9:39 am to SixthAndBarone
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Were there documented polls in 1776 asking people who they were supporting? Some of y’all are gullible as shite
. This dude is going to drop percentages from 250 years ago with absolutely no data backing up his claim and the dumbshits who are on this board just eat it up.
The percentages I quoted came from a War Room Special this past 4th of July. The 30% support was the initial support when the war broke out, a quick Google search shows at no time did more than 45% of the colonists support the Revolutionary War, in fact it states the support varied depending on who the colonists believed were winning, so 30% support at the beginning of the war is very believable.
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At no time did more than 45 percent of colonists support the war, and at least a third of colonists fought for the British. Unlike the Civil War, which pitted regions against each other, the war of independence pitted neighbor against neighbor. Americans were not only rebelling against the mother country, they were fighting each other.
A higher percentage of the population died in the American Revolution than in any other war fought by Americans. As a result, more people who lived through the American Revolution knew someone who died or lost someone in the war, than in any war we have fought since.
Many Americans switched allegiance and changed signs during the revolution depending on which side was winning. For example, at one inn along a well-traveled road in New Jersey—what is today Route 1—the innkeeper would send a servant out to look down the road every morning and throughout the day. If an army was spotted, the servant was charged with identifying the colors and raising the corresponding flag to keep soldiers from burning down the inn.
Posted on 9/10/23 at 9:51 am to tango029
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quote:That's right. And I think MAGA is at least a solid 1/3 today. Then there is about 30% leftist/communist and the rest are playing in the middle of the road hoping to not get run over.
Only about 30% of the population is registered Republican and MAGA doesn't even have a majority there. You'd be lucky if 10% of the population considered themselves MAGA.
It wasn't strictly Republicans who voted Trump in 2016/2020.
Over 150 million people voted in the 2020 GE ....I guarantee at least 40-50 million are hardcore MAGA/America First, did you notice I didn't say Republican? MAGA/America First and Republican are not the same voters politically speaking..
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