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re: Johnson and Johnson Vaccine Pause
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:14 pm to Barstools
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:14 pm to Barstools
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No shite, they're using the AZ non mRNA vaccine which is the same type as J&J. The mRNA vaccines aren't having the blood clot issues.
Again, use facts please. Or at least understand the nuances of what you're talking about.
They are the same type of vaccine in how they work. They are not made up of the same ingredients.
When you say there has already been 200 cases in the UK, that is simply false. You should try using facts.
There may be a connection between the two and the blood clots, but that isn't clear yet.
The facts are there are only 6 cases currently being investigated for the blood clots relating to the J&J vaccine.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:17 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Listening to the ACIP meeting today.
I wouldnt be surprised if they extend the pause, at least that's what the CDC Working group recommended. They also had recommendations like >50 years old only get the vaccine.
If I understood correctly FDA is supportive of not extending the pause and having the choice of taking the vaccine be between the healthcare provider and the patient based on relative risk.
ETA: public comment period is about to start
I wouldnt be surprised if they extend the pause, at least that's what the CDC Working group recommended. They also had recommendations like >50 years old only get the vaccine.
If I understood correctly FDA is supportive of not extending the pause and having the choice of taking the vaccine be between the healthcare provider and the patient based on relative risk.
ETA: public comment period is about to start
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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When you say there has already been 200 cases in the UK, that is simply false.
Except it's not, its fact. You're literally a clown. They are the same type of vaccine and they both have the same side effects.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are of a different type and don't have the clotting issues.
How fricking dense can you be?
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Mickey Goldmill
Oof, no wonder. I didn't realizing to whom I was replying.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:41 pm to Barstools
quote:AZ is not a CV19 vaccine. It was designed as a generic coronavirus vaccine and was found to have decent effect against CV19. Its similarity to J&J is that it uses whole virus in the inoculum.
No shite, they're using the AZ non mRNA vaccine which is the same type as J&J
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:45 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are a different type of vaccine and have not had this clotting issue arise.
But people have died from the vaccine, more than JJ and they never paused it. Additionally they have not clarified that the vaccine was the cause of the clotting.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:54 pm to winkchance
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But people have died from the vaccine, more than JJ and they never paused it. Additionally they have not clarified that the vaccine was the cause of the clotting.
They have died from the vaccine? No doubt people have died with the vaccine but 8,000 people die every day. Have some evidence to back up that claim?
Here are some facts for you while you search....
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From Dec. 14 through March 8, VAERS received 1,637 reports of people dying after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, according to the CDC. That covers all 50 states, several U.S. territories, and Americans living abroad.
More than 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States during that time, the CDC noted.
“CDC and [Food and Drug Administration] physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports,” it said.
“A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths,” the agency said.
LINK
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:55 pm to winkchance
From the conversations these Drs. are having the are most likely going to continue the pause to see what comes from the folks already vaccinated + more time for analyses.
They justify this based on two primary reasons: (1) to be extra precautionary, (2) access to mRNA vaccines that show less side effects.
I do think they are completely missing out on the fact that most people are wanting the J&J vaccine because it's essentially one stop shopping, uses a more traditional vector, and takes half the time the mRNA vaccines take to become fully vaccinated.
They think they can convince others waiting for J&J to take the other mRNA vaccines, but I highly doubt that.
They justify this based on two primary reasons: (1) to be extra precautionary, (2) access to mRNA vaccines that show less side effects.
I do think they are completely missing out on the fact that most people are wanting the J&J vaccine because it's essentially one stop shopping, uses a more traditional vector, and takes half the time the mRNA vaccines take to become fully vaccinated.
They think they can convince others waiting for J&J to take the other mRNA vaccines, but I highly doubt that.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:59 pm to Snipe
Do you honestly believe only 6 women died from the
JnJ vaccine? You’re a ding dong for believing anything gov tells you.
JnJ vaccine? You’re a ding dong for believing anything gov tells you.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:01 pm to winkchance
quote:Other than thrombocytopenia do you have a link?
But people have died from the vaccine, more than JJ and they never paused it
Thrombocytopenia will be an extremely rare occurrence with any of these, albeit at a far lower rate than in CV19 infections.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:04 pm to fargobison
quote:I know of one case of a lethal immune mediated thrombocytopenia related (IIRC) to the Moderna vax.
They have died from the vaccine?
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Different ingredients, different number of shots, differences in side effects.
This right here is why I’m waiting...
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:08 pm to winkchance
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OK here is one - LINK
and another - again easy to find with Google
LINK
This is from your own link you illiterate frick.
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VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:09 pm to Barstools
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They are the same type of vaccine and they both have the same side effects.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are of a different type and don't have the clotting issues.
How fricking dense can you be?
(sigh) Yes, they are the same general type of vaccine. They both work the same way. They both MAY have clotting issues. They are not the same vaccine.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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I know of one case of a lethal immune mediated thrombocytopenia related (IIRC) to the Moderna vax.
That is a pretty rare occurance.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:12 pm to Tigerroc
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Do you honestly believe only 6 women died from the
JnJ vaccine? You’re a ding dong for believing anything gov tells you.
That's not what the government is saying. 6 cases, 1 death.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:13 pm to winkchance
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the other vaccines that have had issues as well.
No really.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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AZ is not a CV19 vaccine. It was designed as a generic coronavirus vaccine and was found to have decent effect against CV19. Its similarity to J&J is that it uses whole virus in the inoculum.
Barstools is a dumbass. They are vastly different. That's why 15 million doses were ruined when ingredients were mixed between the two.
You guys who are so keen on "traditional vaccines" should check out the Chinese version. You'd love it. It uses actual COVID 19 virus and doesn't work for shite.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:16 pm to fargobison
quote:Tragic, but extraordinarily rare. If there is any consolation, those who have such a reaction would be killed by the virus too.
That is a pretty rare occurance
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:24 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:I hate that we toss around these invectives so frequently, because in truth the collective IQ here is relatively high. But that's exactly where we are. Insofar as he contradicts mainstream knowns in medicine ... yep, he's a dumbass.
Barstools is a dumbass
Posted on 4/14/21 at 4:26 pm to NC_Tigah
Meeting just concluded. ACIP wont vote on a recommendation today. They are waiting for more data to do a more in depth risk-benefit analysis. Pause will continue.
They are hoping to have another emergency meeting within 3 weeks, will probably announce a date for that meeting at the end of the week.
They are hoping to have another emergency meeting within 3 weeks, will probably announce a date for that meeting at the end of the week.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 4:27 pm
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