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re: Jimmy Carter was NOT a Christian

Posted on 2/12/25 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 1:54 pm to
Not a fan of Carter as a president, but I won’t judge his salvation. That is up to God. Anybody can repent of any sins on their own up until their last breath. My hope is that he did.

Some may believe I’m not a Christian because I drink alcohol in moderation and support legalization of marijuana. I can assure you I am a believer, albeit a very flawed one who stumbles all the time. I confess my sinfulness every week at Mass, regularly in Confession and privately to God. My salvation is assured if I remain in The Vine (no I don’t believe in OSAS). No one is my judge but God alone.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18075 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:09 pm to
The Bible contradicts itself plenty.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9489 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:17 pm to
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Judge not, lest you be judged. Matt 7:1


I am so tired of this verse being taken out of context.

Jesus wasn't telling followers “I'm OK, You're OK!”, in that verse, he was warning against hypocrisy when judging (“ And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”).

You cant have any system of moral standards without judgment. Paul and other apostles told followers to watch each other and call each other out when falling from the standards of the faith. Jesus, in John 7:24 not only tells us to judge but HOW to judge (“Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement “).
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:35 pm to
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At the end of it all, you can be Christian and believe in Jesus, and be pro-choice.


I think Matthew 18:6 says you are wrong, unless you don't consider murdering a child in the womb to be an offense. Or maybe your definition of pro-choice is not the accepted version in today's world. I'm pro-choice too, if by pro-choice you mean choosing to not have sex. Or maybe choosing not to have unprotected sex. Or maybe choosing to re-arrange your life in order to make a life for the child you chose to conceive. Lots of choices there, but I don't think murdering your unborn child and Christianity are compatible in any way. JMO.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33227 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:54 pm to
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And as Christian’s our job isn’t to judge as he will have to answer for his sins.

Thats not entirely true
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For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

He clearly says what you judge a person on, be prepared for the same. Then supports his argument by saying clean up your life, BEFORE judging those that arent cleaning up theirs. Then an often overlooked part of this is IN THE VERY NEXT vers
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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

errrrr, ya have to make a judgement of someone, in order to know who can be trusted with your 'pearls'

Remember, Friday is the exam. There will be no T/F or multiple choice. This will be 1/4th of your final grade
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20005 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 2:56 pm to
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I don't think murdering your unborn child and Christianity are compatible in any way. JMO.


No one said they are comparable - you can have one without the other. Bible instructs us to do a lot of things and not do a lot of things. If you don't follow them all, are you un-Christian?

Christianity is the belief in Jesus Christ.

You quoted the bible -

Deuteronomy 2:32–35; God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. Later in chapter 3:3–7, God commands they do the same to the city of Bashan.

Don't eat animals with split hooves
Don't eat animals without fins and scales
Don't wear clothing made from two different types of fabric
Don't trim hair at your temples
Don't trim your beard
Don't mate two different kinds of animals
Don't plant two different kinds of seed in your field

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 states, "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."

"And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever." (21:5-6)

"And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even." (15:19-21)

Deuteronomy 22:28–29
"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:01 pm to
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The Bible contradicts itself plenty.


Used to think that. But then as I've aged, and put some honest work into reading and understanding all my little pea brain can understand, I've found that the contradictions I saw were mostly my juvenile understanding of what is there.

I wish it weren't so, but I think we are going to have to meet Jesus to find out if we really understood a single word.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20531 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:03 pm to
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Mohamed Atta has one of the highest places in the hagiography of Islam.
Maybe you right.

Maybe that low life bastard does.

Let's give him 2 metals.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162021 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:05 pm to
Jimmy Carter Center got USAID $$$$$$$$. Did it go to little chilrens and starving people?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:06 pm to
...and then came the Christ.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever shall believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20531 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:07 pm to
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The Bible contradicts itself plenty.
No it doesn't.

Not understanding the bible or looking at some re-written version causes people to think this.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18075 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Used to think that. But then as I've aged, and put some honest work into reading and understanding all my little pea brain can understand, I've found that the contradictions I saw were mostly my juvenile understanding of what is there.
no no, most of it is due to different translations it’s the reason lots of people think one of the 10 commandments is thou shalt not kill. That’s not what it meant. It meant don’t commit murder. But obviously that’s contradicted in other parts of the Old Testament. Also plenty of Old Testament is contradicted by the new.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73783 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:13 pm to
Accusing someone of NOT being a Christian is a sin. Final judgment is not ours to deliver do not try to think otherwise.

Accusing someone of not acting as a Christian is human.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:14 pm to
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no no, most of it is due to different translations it’s the reason lots of people think one of the 10 commandments is thou shalt not kill. That’s not what it meant. It meant don’t commit murder. But obviously that’s contradicted in other parts of the Old Testament. Also plenty of Old Testament is contradicted by the new.


Perfect example. So when you read something like that, then you go look for answers and understanding. Then you realize that the command isn't against killing, but against murder, so no contradiction at all.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33227 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:50 pm to
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Also plenty of Old Testament is contradicted by the new.

WOW

The OT was written for a specific people. Jews. Which the Arabs ALSO used in developing the Islamic religion. Imagine that. Yet no contradictory

And the Christian religion, which is largely populated by Gentiles also created their new religion, and were not even held to your "contradictions"
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But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Sorry for your inability to comprehend. Theres more
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He [Peter] said to them [Gentiles]: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.

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We have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20684 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 5:28 pm to
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Crimson1st


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Cope and seethe more, balldo washer.



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jclem11


Use English better knob gobbler!
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
14620 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 5:33 pm to
Declaring truth - the Word of God - is not judging. It becomes judging when we editorialize on that truth.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 5:35 pm to
He was a Godless Marxist
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 5:37 pm to
jimmy Carter was not a good man.

He was a piece of shite.
Posted by Hester5452007
Member since Sep 2018
224 posts
Posted on 2/13/25 at 4:04 am to
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jimmy Carter was not a good man. He was a piece of shite.


Very Christian of you. You are so much better than Jimmy Carter. Go in peace to spread the word.
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