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re: Jesuit Priest Claims LGBT Books for Kids are Like Sharing Jesus’ Parables
Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:27 pm to Night Vision
Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:27 pm to Night Vision
Dude needs to be depressurized
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:28 pm to Night Vision
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Father Martin reacted to the ruling and suggested that kids reading LGBT books is akin to Jesus sharing parables.
What does Father Martin think about actually sharing Jesus' parables?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:36 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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But gay sex is. There have been times I have been angry and wanted to hit someone, but I didn't. I didn't choose to be angry, but I chose my actions. That is what matters.
Yes, acting on it is the choice. Just like when I see a woman I choose not to act on it.
But as far as I can tell, it's not directly hurting anyone else so it's a matter that's between them and God. If they want to have sex, how is it hurting anyone more than me having sex with a woman? If there are other sins, adultery and what not then it's already covered.
When it comes to the kids, that's different. And when it becomes their entire identity and consumes them, that's different. But as long as they aren't hurting anyone, it's between them and God. If it is a sin, am I to believe it's worse than those specifically listed such as theft, coveting your neighbors house etc?
Could you imaging going through life being attracted to women and then being told it was wrong? I'd be miserable.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 6:18 pm to 3down10
quote:Homosexual sex is sinful. Period. That which is sinful will heap up God’s wrath for eternity for those not cleansed by the blood of Christ.
But as far as I can tell, it's not directly hurting anyone else so it's a matter that's between them and God. If they want to have sex, how is it hurting anyone more than me having sex with a woman? If there are other sins, adultery and what not then it's already covered.
That means every time one unrepentant man has sex with another unrepentant man, he is contributing to his own sinful estate as well as the other’s. That is spiritual harm. It doesn’t matter if it is better or worse than other sins, because it is going to be judged by God with His eternal wrath.
It would be better for all unbelievers to die with as few sins against God as possible. Their time in Hell would be a little better if that were the case.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 6:27 pm to Night Vision
I wish I remembered the guy on here arguing with my about the Catholic Church aa few days ago...
Posted on 7/4/25 at 6:47 pm to FooManChoo
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Homosexual sex is sinful. Period. That which is sinful will heap up God’s wrath for eternity for those not cleansed by the blood of Christ.
1. Show me the commandment.
2. So all your sins will be forgiven, but not others.
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That means every time one unrepentant man has sex with another unrepentant man, he is contributing to his own sinful estate as well as the other’s. That is spiritual harm. It doesn’t matter if it is better or worse than other sins, because it is going to be judged by God with His eternal wrath.
Name the commandment being broken.
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It would be better for all unbelievers to die with as few sins against God as possible. Their time in Hell would be a little better if that were the case.
Jesus says if you believe you will do as he does, which is follow the commandments. Otherwise, you are just worshiping the idol.
The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns. You belong to the religion of Saul the Pharisee, not Jesus.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:01 pm to 3down10
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It would be better for all unbelievers to die with as few sins against God as possible. Their time in Hell would be a little better if that were the case.
Jesus says if you believe you will do as he does, which is follow the commandments. Otherwise, you are just worshiping the idol.
The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns. You belong to the religion of Saul the Pharisee, not Jesus
Both of y'all totally miss it!!! Y'all remind me of the Pharisee. Jesus died so that we could access Grace, not perfection. Nobodys rituals, traditions, holier than thou attitudes will allow you to access Grace.
And for damn sure, nobody knows Jesus's judgements except Jesus, when that day comes.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:13 pm to lake chuck fan
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Both of y'all totally miss it!!! Y'all remind me of the Pharisee. Jesus died so that we could access Grace, not perfection. Nobodys rituals, traditions, holier than thou attitudes will allow you to access Grace.
And for damn sure, nobody knows Jesus's judgements except Jesus, when that day comes.
Voddie speaks about grace, pretty good message.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:18 pm to lake chuck fan
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Both of y'all totally miss it!!! Y'all remind me of the Pharisee. Jesus died so that we could access Grace, not perfection. Nobodys rituals, traditions, holier than thou attitudes will allow you to access Grace.
And for damn sure, nobody knows Jesus's judgements except Jesus, when that day comes.
Where we will differ is I believe it's the life of Jesus that saves. That you will follow the commandments if you believe, and by him fulfilling them he provides the example for men to follow, and by that means you can be saved. All God wants from you is to fix your mistakes, and when you do that you are forgiven.
While you believe it's the death of Jesus that saves, and that if you believe in his sacrifice you will be saved. To me, this is to make a whipping boy of Jesus, or a human sacrifice. I think many rather than asking for forgiveness ask for a blind eye.
I believe the rock Jesus builds the church on is one of understanding. Which like math, no man can take away from you once you have it and when you have that understanding you can apply it to your life. Understanding which is needed by someone to follow the commandments, of which is given to you by what you call the Holy Spirit. This I experienced directly and is where I get my understanding.
You believe that rock is a physical thing, a religion, a building, etc.
I would say going to church is what we are doing now, sharing understanding. You would likely say it's going to that building and hearing scripture.
And that is why I do not consider myself a christian. And I challenge anyone to explain to me why Jesus told the rich man to keep the commandments and that it was harder to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man in heaven. Rather than telling him to just wait for him to be killed, believe he did for his sins and then he would have to do none of that which your version of Christianity says.
What is a path if you don't walk it?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:20 pm to Night Vision
You are going to burn...
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:26 pm to 3down10
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But as far as I can tell, it's not directly hurting anyone else so it's a matter that's between them and God. If they want to have sex, how is it hurting anyone more than me having sex with a woman? If there are other sins, adultery and what not then it's already covered.
They just want the right to get married. It stopped right there…..did it not? DID IT NOT?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:28 pm to Warboo
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They just want the right to get married. It stopped right there…..did it not? DID IT NOT?
Nope, and that's the real issue.
Personally, I don't think the state should be involved in marriage at all.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:39 pm to Night Vision
Thought this was about the band 
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:42 pm to Night Vision
Homosexuality must be rooted out of the Church.
It’s that simple.
It’s that simple.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:28 pm to Night Vision
quote:Leo desperately needs to defrock this clown. Anytime protestants or atheists want to sling mud they always point to this guy, but he's universally reviled by congregants. The only reason he gets the attention is because the leftist media **loves** running to him.
Father James Martin
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:35 pm to Night Vision
Did he ever read Leviticus?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:30 pm to Night Vision
First, this thread title and thread are misleading because it doesn't fully explain that this Priest makes it clear that he opposes sexually explicit book materials to be placed in school libraries. Now, we all agree with that, correct? Is there anybody in this thread that disagrees with this Priest that sexually explicit gay stuff should appear in books in the public school library?
No? I didn't think so. But instead of focusing on the major part of the issue - the part on which we all agree, many of you are twisting the full and correct facts into the notion that the Priest says that teaching kids about Gay Sex is like Jesus teaching the Parables. Of course, that's a lie.
The Priest argues that books that have gay characters should not be prohibited from being placed in school libraries. My opinion is that this is up to the parents of the kids in the school district, or some other school governing entity. I'm aware of the fact that gay people are a part of our world and that we must treat them in the Christian manner. However, I would explain to this Priest that I disagree with his position due to the potential for fomenting confusion on the Catholic Church's position on this issue, which is this - Gay Sex and Gay Marriage are Grave Sins.
I would argue to the Priest that it is not up to the public school to teach the kids about sexuality and deviant sexuality - that job belongs to the parents.
I would explain to this Priest that I disagree with the public manner in which he propagated his controversial opinion. He has caused confusion in that many might suppose that he speaks for the whole Church. I would tell him that any Good that might have been accomplished by his public expression of his opinion is outweighed by the negative consequences of his public announcement.
Any Parish Priest who speaks publicly on a matter of Church morals, doctrine or the like, is almost always out of his lane whenever his opinion can even appear to deviate from the Catechism.
The harm that this Priest has already caused is very evident in this thread - this Priest has provided more ammunition that Catholic Haters will use to attack the whole Church.
This Priest spoke foolishly. Attack his foolishness. Don't attack the Church.
No? I didn't think so. But instead of focusing on the major part of the issue - the part on which we all agree, many of you are twisting the full and correct facts into the notion that the Priest says that teaching kids about Gay Sex is like Jesus teaching the Parables. Of course, that's a lie.
The Priest argues that books that have gay characters should not be prohibited from being placed in school libraries. My opinion is that this is up to the parents of the kids in the school district, or some other school governing entity. I'm aware of the fact that gay people are a part of our world and that we must treat them in the Christian manner. However, I would explain to this Priest that I disagree with his position due to the potential for fomenting confusion on the Catholic Church's position on this issue, which is this - Gay Sex and Gay Marriage are Grave Sins.
I would argue to the Priest that it is not up to the public school to teach the kids about sexuality and deviant sexuality - that job belongs to the parents.
I would explain to this Priest that I disagree with the public manner in which he propagated his controversial opinion. He has caused confusion in that many might suppose that he speaks for the whole Church. I would tell him that any Good that might have been accomplished by his public expression of his opinion is outweighed by the negative consequences of his public announcement.
Any Parish Priest who speaks publicly on a matter of Church morals, doctrine or the like, is almost always out of his lane whenever his opinion can even appear to deviate from the Catechism.
The harm that this Priest has already caused is very evident in this thread - this Priest has provided more ammunition that Catholic Haters will use to attack the whole Church.
This Priest spoke foolishly. Attack his foolishness. Don't attack the Church.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:32 pm to Horsemeat
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Leo desperately needs to defrock this clown. Anytime protestants or atheists want to sling mud they always point to this guy, but he's universally reviled by congregants. The only reason he gets the attention is because the leftist media **loves** running to him.
I have no idea who this Priest is, but, you evidently are very well informed about him and obviously agree that this Priest's big mouth is causing harm to the Catholic Church.
Yes, the Church hierarchy needs to do their job and rein this clown in.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:42 pm to Night Vision
I explained this earlier in an OT post at least when it comes to homosexual priests. Most priests who get in trouble for molesting minors get busted with boys aged 11-17. That’s not a pedophile but rather homosexual attraction to these boys. Any heterosexual priests I have known to step out on their vows will look for women not older boys. Most homosexuals aren’t molesters but most priests who molest are homosexuals. We don’t have room for them in the clergy. They don’t belong. Unfortunately they probably make up 40% of the clergy. I suspect James Martin is gay. It’s probably the worst kept secret in the Jesuit order. He is unbelievably feminine and it’s no accident he is obsessed with LGBTQ stuff. I don’t think he cares about anything else in this world more than that cause. Jesus is 2nd to it. No matter what he says he can’t change Church teaching on active homosexuality and he knows it.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:19 pm to Night Vision
James Martin is a fig. Just listen to him speak. To hell with that charlatan.
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