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Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:00 pm to SludgeFactory
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You know it is killing progressives not to be able to call Vance a racist due to his marriage.
I have no doubt the demons will do it anyway while degrading his wife.
Being married to a minority never stops the lefties from calling the white dude a racist. Or from calling the wife nasty shite either. It's a trigger for progressives to see conservative interracial couples.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:04 pm to Pendulum
No one is arguing that JD Vance should not be allowed to be president. Myself and a few other others are simply stating he should not be the president.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:08 pm to wackatimesthree
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Is it not what you've been taught to believe?
I'll try to be concise -
I believe Christ is the unique Savior of humanity. In this, I believe there is no difference between me/Catholics and the guys involved in this exchange.
Where we differ is how God judges, and the notion that we're all judged precisely the same (or not). My belief - God doesn't judge people for a revelation they never had a genuine opportunity to receive. Otherwise, salvation would depend as much on accident of birthplace and time as on God's justice.
In other words, and I believe this is consistent with Jesus' own words - people are judged according to what they've been given. "To whom much is given, much will be required." In this light, I don't believe someone born into an isolated, non-Christian culture will be judged the same way someone who knowingly rejects Christ after hearing the Gospel will.
Adam has made something of the notion that "works earn salvation" but that's not quite what I'm suggesting. Works do not earn God's grace, but works can demonstrate that a person is responding to God's grace, even if they have never known Him explicitly/may not recognize the source of that grace. To be clear, if they are saved, they are saved by Christ alone.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:09 pm to Hangover Haven
His book correctly identified what was happening (and wrong) in the midwest in the 1990s after NAFTA. Factories left the U.S. and set up in Mexico and Canada (later other countries as well). Your average dude could no longer graduate high school and expect to make a blue collar wage at the local factory. They turned to drugs and other things.
By seeing and pronouncing what I saw first hand, I am a Vance fan. I don't care what religion his wife is. Frankly, I don't really care what his religion his. If he's for putting Americans first, deporting illegal aliens and securing the border...then I'm for him. I'm sure there will be things I disagree with him on, but overall, he's good in my book.
By seeing and pronouncing what I saw first hand, I am a Vance fan. I don't care what religion his wife is. Frankly, I don't really care what his religion his. If he's for putting Americans first, deporting illegal aliens and securing the border...then I'm for him. I'm sure there will be things I disagree with him on, but overall, he's good in my book.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:11 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Indian first family?
Totally made up by a dumbass OP
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
JDV can ABSOLUTELY run this country!
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:13 pm to David_DJS
So basically you’re saying that God grades on a scale. I can dig that. I dig it. Well done, friend. Also, and in that same vein, you can’t assign too much grace and salvation to a person’s good works, or lack thereof as the case may be, pretty much because we’re not all “dealt the same hand” in life insofar as resources and capabilities are concerned, so it’s not exactly an even playing field when it comes to that kinda thing. Bottom line: it’s complicated.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:14 pm to David_DJS
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I believe Christ is the unique Savior of humanity. In this, I believe there is no difference between me/Catholics and the guys involved in this exchange. Where we differ is how God judges, and the notion that we're all judged precisely the same (or not). My belief - God doesn't judge people for a revelation they never had a genuine opportunity to receive
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To be clear, if they are saved, they are saved by Christ alone.
So on the topic of Jd Vance’s wife. She is clearly an adult.
She is clearly in a place to know about Christ and Gods grace.
She has chosen to follow a different religion.
Will she end up in heaven?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:16 pm to Adam Banks
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Will she end up in heaven?
You tell me.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:18 pm to davyjones
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Bottom line: it’s complicated.
And it's something only God understands and can do. It's folly (and probably some other not so good things) to think we have the definitive answers.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:20 pm to David_DJS
Wise words there.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:22 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:congrats on being retarded
one is arguing that JD Vance should not be allowed to be president. Myself and a few other others are simply stating he should not be the president.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:23 pm to David_DJS
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You tell me
I’m asking for your beliefs and scripture to cite.
I’ve made it perfectly clear what I think.
ETA I truly want to know your beliefs and why based on scripture.
I honestly didn’t even think what I have said would be a controversial thing to people who profess Christianity
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:24 pm to David_DJS
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And it's something only God understands and can do. It's folly (and probably some other not so good things) to think we have the definitive answers.
God gave us the scriptures to find the answers.
What would be remarkably cruel for a God to sentence people to hell but not give the instruction manual on how to get to heaven.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:35 pm to Ozarkshillbilly
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By seeing and pronouncing what I saw first hand, I am a Vance fan. I don't care what religion his wife is
I think part of the puzzle here can be summed up with two pictures -
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:40 pm to Adam Banks
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I honestly didn’t even think what I have said would be a controversial thing to people who profess Christianity
What makes you think it's controversial to see that all Christians are not 100% in sync on Christianity?
How many Christian faiths are there? Is that because they agree with each other on everything?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:47 pm to David_DJS
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What makes you think it's controversial to see that all Christians are not 100% in sync on Christianity?
I don’t think it would be controversial that a professing Christian would believe the scriptures that say that Christ is the only way to salvation and that someone who knowingly rejects that and follows a different religion would end up in hell.
You still have yet to cite a scripture that outside of one which cites the law.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 6:48 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:huh?
Totally made up by a dumbass OP
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:04 pm to Adam Banks
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I don’t think it would be controversial that a professing Christian would believe the scriptures that say that Christ is the only way to salvation and that someone who knowingly rejects that and follows a different religion would end up in hell.
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