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re: JD Vance doesn’t run his household. How can he run the country?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 4:49 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 6/23/26 at 4:49 pm to Adam Banks
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The law is not salvation.
You interpret that Bible verse (and others) differently than I do.
It's pretty presumptuous (not really a virtue) to suggest that I don't believe the Bible.
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 4:52 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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not sure what point you are trying to make here
You are easily distracted by irrelevant nonsense. Your qualifications are stupid. Focus on the man of the house. We need him in this battle
Posted on 6/23/26 at 4:53 pm to David_DJS
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I thought this was in the Bible -
"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires... they show that what the law requires is written on their hearts."
What do you think that means? Because it has nothing to do with salvation.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 4:59 pm to rmnldr
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What do you think that means? Because it has nothing to do with salvation.
I know that's what you, Adam Banks and shite tons of others have been taught to believe.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:00 pm to SludgeFactory
Kudos to JD and Wife. “Content of one’s character” and not the ‘color’ of one’s religion. If Wife believes in the Constitutional Republic that is good enough for me.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:04 pm to SludgeFactory
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You know it is killing progressives not to be able to call Vance a racist due to his marriage.
Not only is he married to someone of a different race, but a different religion as well. He also has affluent biracial children, and grew up dirt poor in the sticks and from a broken family. He's literally everything the Dims praise, except for white.
Apparently white is a big enough sin to offset every redeeming quality he possesses.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:13 pm to David_DJS
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You interpret that Bible verse (and others) differently than I do.
You cite a verse that specifically deals with the law to claim that Hindus worshipping another god can ho go heaven.
I’m happy to hear your interpretation and other supportive scripture
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It's pretty presumptuous (not really a virtue) to suggest that I don't believe the Bible.
I take no joy in saying lost people will spend eternity apart from God.
However it is the exact opposite of loving to not have these discussions if that is my belief that is founded in the Bible. It’s in fact incredibly cruel to not have the discussion.
Hence why I am spending this time discussing this.
It is a fundamental belief of Christianity of the trinity father son and Holy Spirit and that the only path for salvation is grace from Yahweh due to Jesus fulfilling the law by his death on the cross.
You may *feel* that sentencing a good person to Hell is mean because they look for salvation in places other than Jesus but that’s what the Bible says.
It’s (universalism) also been declared heresy by the Catholic Church (Origen)
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:17 pm to David_DJS
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Tens of millions of Catholics believe as I do.
Awesome, (although there's no possible way you could know that.)
Still not what I asked.
Will you not answer because you don't know the answer?
Or because you do know and don't want to admit it?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:18 pm to David_DJS
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It's pretty presumptuous (not really a virtue) to suggest that I don't believe the Bible.
Is it?
When you've repeatedly been asked about your understanding of Christian theology yet remain evasive?
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:20 pm to David_DJS
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I know that's what you, Adam Banks and shite tons of others have been taught to believe.
Is it not what you've been taught to believe?
Notice I didn't ask whether it was what you believe. i asked whether it was what you were taught to believe.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:22 pm to David_DJS
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I know that's what you, Adam Banks and shite tons of others have been taught to believe.
Paul is saying that even though gentiles weren’t given the Mosaic law their basic understanding of morality shows that God’s divine law still exists inherently within them and they should be held accountable the same as the Jews are. It’s another point he’s making in the entirety of Romans about how all have sinned and must be saved by Christ.
What is your interpretation and what do you have to back it up?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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I think that is none of my goddamned business, nor is it yours.
Wow.
Dude's going to tell us exactly what our personal criteria for voting can and cannot be.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:25 pm to Adam Banks
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I take no joy in saying lost people will spend eternity apart from God.
Well, that's a relief.
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You may *feel* that sentencing a good person to Hell is mean because they look for salvation in places other than Jesus but that’s what the Bible says.
You discount the beliefs of Catholics, but they've studied the same Word your faith has for probably a lot longer. It's interesting.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:28 pm to David_DJS
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You discount the beliefs of Catholics, but they've studied the same Word your faith has for probably a lot longer. It's interesting.
What?
Ive supported my views citing Catholics interpretation even though I’m not Catholic.
Your view of universalism was declared heresy all the way back in 553.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:36 pm to Adam Banks
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Ive supported my views citing Catholics interpretation even though I’m not Catholic.
Hmm.
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Your view of universalism was declared heresy all the way back in 553.
Well, we can feel good about it not just being Catholic faith that you misunderstand.
What the frick have I posted that makes you think I don't believe there's a hell, and that many, many souls will find their way to it?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:38 pm to David_DJS
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What the **** have I posted that makes you think I don't believe there's a hell, and that many, many souls will find their way to it?
Who or what grants salvation?
Multiple people have asked that but you haven’t seem to answered that
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:42 pm to David_DJS
Im just going to pop my head back in this thread to say, im still glad this discussion of who is going to hell and heaven or what not has no constitutional bearing on who can be elected to government in this country. The founding fathers were wise to protect us from any precedent that would allow any religion to enforce their doctrine on free american citizens.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:44 pm to Adam Banks
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Who or what grants salvation?
Multiple people have asked that but you haven’t seem to answered that
Make it a multiple choice question.
Seriously, do you think I'd answer that question differently than you? That's not where we disagree.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:46 pm to David_DJS
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Seriously, do you think I'd answer that question differently than you? That's not where we disagree.
Clearly we do because you said Hindus can go to heaven. You have also equated works with salvation as well implying works earn salvation
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:47 pm to Adam Banks
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Clearly we do because you said Hindus can go to heaven.
So you don't think God grants who is saved?
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