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re: Jake Tapper said Due Process is not a constitutional right
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:12 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:12 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I'm not delusional
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Jake Tapper said Due Process is not a constitutional right
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:13 pm to Joshjrn
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At no point did Tapper say that Due Process is not a Constitutional right. The thread title is a lie.
No it isn't a lie.
The title is the proper inference that is drawn from the implication of his statement.
By saying that Due Process is just a courtroom term, Tapper is saying it isn't a constitutional right.
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:30 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I'm not delusional
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The title is the proper inference that is deduced from the implication of his statement.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:34 pm to NC_Tigah
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Well, the huge settlements paid out by Duke would indicate otherwise.
Yes, because the only reason why anyone sues anyone is because of Due Process violations
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You seem to assume the concept of Due Process is solely applicable to the Court system. It isn't.
Please educate me
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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No it isn't a lie.
Yes, it is.
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The title is the proper inference that is deduced from the implication of his statement.
No, it isn't.
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By saying that Due Process is just a courtroom term, Tapper is saying it isn't a constitutional right.
One, that would be an absurd interpretation, even if he said that. Which he didn't. He said this:
"But Due Process is a courtroom term, not a morality term in real life."
He didn't say it's "just" a courtroom term. Stop lying.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:40 pm to Joshjrn
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Please educate me
Most 3rd graders have a higher education than he does. I’m still not sure if he’s literate.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:42 pm to Joshjrn
quote:So what exactly do you take Tapper's BS to mean, aside from Due Process being a courtroom term?
"But Due Process is a courtroom term, not a morality term in real life."
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
we’ve long known you have a tenuous grip on reality, but it’s still alarming to see you bringing your assault to the basic meaning of words.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:43 pm to OMLandshark
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Most 3rd graders have a higher education than he does. I’m still not sure if he’s literate.
I suppose he could draw a distinction between "the courts" and "the State", which is fair. The State can commit due process violations which are then litigated in the courts, but considering the issue in this thread, that's a distinction without a difference
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:49 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Due process is often structured through formal organizational policy in Corporate bylaws, Hospital Performance Improvement Procedures, Credentialing/Decredentialing mechanisms, Employment Contracts, etc.
Please educate me
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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So what exactly do you take Tapper's BS to mean, aside from Due Process being a courtroom term?
That private citizens can't violate due process, only government entities can. If someone, for example, accuses a Hollywood producer of sexual assault and he's ostracized by the industry, that's not a due process violation. Might it be shitty and shortsighted? Sure. But that's a separate issue.
Functionally, it's no different than crying about the First Amendment when someone gets fired for some unpopular thing they said.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Due process is often structured through formal organizational policy in Corporate bylaws, Hospital Performance Improvement Procedures, Credentialing/Decredentialing mechanisms, Employment Contracts, etc.
They call it due process, but it's really contract enforcement. Nothing more, nothing less.
ETA: They are pretending to be their own little courtrooms. It's a nice fiction, but it's not the same thing.
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:51 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Aw now, you're so upset. Relax. Geaux get a tissue.
Most 3rd graders have a higher education than he does. I’m still not sure if he’s literate.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:53 pm to DawgfaninCa
Wonder what he would've said back in the 50's when blacks were being railroaded in the courts down South.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 9:56 pm to prplhze2000
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Wonder what he would've said back in the 50's when blacks were being railroaded in the courts down South.
That it was a Due Process violation. Because, you know, it's a government actor
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:00 pm to Joshjrn
quote:It is what we call it. It is workplace due process. The terminology, due process, is ubiquitous throughout corporate America. It is the formal actionable process due to one, as laid out in workplace policies. If action is taken outside of the defined process, the corporation, hospital, board, etc are subject to retaliatory liability.
They call it due process, but it's really contract enforcement. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:03 pm to Joshjrn
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That private citizens can't violate due process, only government entities can. If someone, for example, accuses a Hollywood producer of sexual assault and he's ostracized by the industry, that's not a due process violation. Might it be shitty and shortsighted? Sure. But that's a separate issue.
Functionally, it's no different than crying about the First Amendment when someone gets fired for some unpopular thing they said.
In other words, you would rather have lynch mob justice than due process.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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It is workplace due process. The terminology, due process, is ubiquitous throughout corporate America. It is the formal actionable process due to one, as laid out in workplace policies. If action is taken outside of the defined process, the corporation, hospital, board, etc are subject to retaliatory liability.
The way I'm reading that, it appears you support lynch mob justice rather than due process.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:08 pm to NC_Tigah
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It is what we call it. It is workplace due process. The terminology, due process, is ubiquitous throughout corporate America. It is the formal actionable process due to one, as laid out in workplace policies. If action is taken outside of the defined process, the corporation, hospital, board, etc are subject to retaliatory liability.
I know. Look, you and I aren't far from each other on this one, irrespective of whether you call it due process and I call it contract law. Let's get back to the context of this thread.
Trump is catching shite because he cited to due process when people were calling for him to terminate someone who is a presidential appointee with practically zero termination rights. Due process has nothing to do with it. That's all Tapper was saying. Now, Trump can say that he doesn't trust the accusers and wants the courts to sort it out, but just braying about Due Process isn't particularly relevant to the situation.
And I say all of this as someone who thinks #metoo has turned into a bit of a witch hunt
Posted on 2/11/18 at 10:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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In other words, you would rather have lynch mob justice than due process.
Based on the reading comprehension skills you've displayed in this thread, your interpretation doesn't surprise me.
I'm a criminal defense attorney, but sure, I fricking hate Due Process
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