re: IVF is about to be screwed

I think most people that do IVF understand and prepare for this.

We did.

One more step towards idiocracy.

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It violates any sort of consistent ethic on life. If life begins at conception (it does), then the IVF procedure either leads to destruction of life through selection and elimination of excess implanted embryos, or storage of the embryos in a frozen state robbing them of their human dignity.

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This is why pro-lifers will continue to lose.

Good

Women need to stop waiting until their 30s and 40s to have kids

So I tried to look this up and the entire news media is having a heart attack about it, which means they're definitely lying about the implications so I'll wait till someone honest takes a look at it.

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do think the pro abortion crowd warned about this kind of thing though and it fell on deaf ears for the most part. If you believe life begins at conception though wouldn't that make sense, each one of those is a person with a soul, don't they deserve their day in court and protections from medical malpractice against them? How is that different than accidently killing a patient with a mistake during surgery? This is actually real time watching us fall down the slippery slope we were worried about with this whole when life begins can of worms.

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Not a slippery slope at all. What else is the issue? That’s as far as it “slips” since life begins at conception. Not sure why people have a hard time following that logic since it’s scientifically true.

Here's an article from 1819 News about the ruling. Only legit source for Alabama news imo.

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The cases arose when three couples, who had already become parents through IVF, sued the Mobile Infirmary Clinic, Inc., claiming that the clinic's negligence in leaving the IVF clinic and freezer room unlocked and vulnerable to an intruder resulted in the deaths of their frozen embryos, which the clinic conceded were human. The Mobile County trial judge dismissed the cases, reasoning that a frozen embryo is not a “child” under Alabama's Wrongful Death of a Minor Act.

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So the parents believe these embryos are human, and the clinic believes these embryos are human...but we're supposed to be outraged by this ruling?

Also I find it interesting that people in this thread are arguing about the embryos being dropped. That's not what happened here at all. The hospital left these embryos in an apparently totally-open and accessible area and some random patient got in there and opened the fridge doors. That led to the embryos dying. This is absolutely negligence on the part of the facility.

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the Court noted that when the statute was enacted in 1872, “child” meant “the immediate progeny of parents,” and that the Court would not create an exception in the statute for these IVF embryo children just because they were located outside the womb. The word “child,” the Court reasoned, means “an unborn or recently born individual member of the human species, from fertilization until the age of majority.”

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Seems reasonable to me.

Also, the Karens who are arguing this will "end IVF in Alabama" are ridiculous.

A similar case in San Francisco had a negative result for an IVF clinic in 2021. Is that going to end IVF in California? Or are you all just beholden to whatever the news tells you will happen?

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Alabama Supreme Court states embryos are people

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Do they get social security numbers issued at fertilization? Are they considered dependents at tax time?

You can always count on Alabama or California to take it to the most extreme levels of either side.

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Do they get social security numbers issued at fertilization? Are they considered dependents at tax time?

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Probably not since those sort of logistical issues aren't really relevant to whether or not a pre-born baby is actually a living person.

A child in the womb 5 minutes before birth won't have its own birth certificate, nor be included as a dependent on its parents' tax returns, yet is no less a living human being than it would be 5 minutes after birth (which, due to timing, would also not have its own birth certificate nor likely be listed on its parents tax forms in that moment, since those things come later).