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re: Ivermectin did work, new proof
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:02 am to Flats
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:02 am to Flats
I'm torn about this. Part of me agrees there should've been more forbearance early on. The other part (and the part you're glossing over, Flats), is that MAGA channels were not promoting vaccine + ivermectin as in your hypothetical. Ivermectin was being promoted effectively as an alternative. The public health message in response was to take a vaccine with proven health benefits instead.
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:06 am to TigerDoc
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The public health message in response was to take a vaccine with proven health benefits instead.
I don’t pay attention to maga channels so I have no idea what they were pushing, but professionals should put out accurate information and let people make their own health care decisions. Maga said something they didn’t like so they overcompensated? Doesn’t sound very professional to me.
And “proven”, especially early on, is a stretch.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:06 am to TigerDoc
TigerDOC
If you are a physician who followed the Deep State, Fauci BS ( vaccine, vaccine, vaccine and denying effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine/zinc and Ivermectin while people were intubated to death without loved ones around)then hells wrath on you as you deserve to be stripped of your license to practice
And if you gave in to the pressure of the AMA and Louisiana boards then again hells wrath on you as you once took the Hipp Oath or did you forget that ?
If you are a physician who followed the Deep State, Fauci BS ( vaccine, vaccine, vaccine and denying effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine/zinc and Ivermectin while people were intubated to death without loved ones around)then hells wrath on you as you deserve to be stripped of your license to practice
And if you gave in to the pressure of the AMA and Louisiana boards then again hells wrath on you as you once took the Hipp Oath or did you forget that ?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:09 am to Flats
This is effectively a MAGA channel (and it was at that time, especially) and it's pretty clear how attitudes and beliefs changed as health behaviors were politicized and incorporated as identity badges.
ETA: like this fellow above.
ETA: like this fellow above.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:15 am to TigerDoc
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it's pretty clear how attitudes and beliefs changed as health behaviors were politicized and incorporated as identity badges.
So the medical profession as a whole was no different than PT? You’re ok with that?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:18 am to TigerDoc
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The public health message in response was to take a vaccine with proven health benefits instead.
NOT A VACCINE.
An injectable gene-editing agent with neither a proven ability to prevent contracting nor spreading the intended disease. The only thing that seems guaranteed by taking this formulation would be an increased risk of fatal cardiac events.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:23 am to dgnx6
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As the COVID pandemic wore on, with potential treatments supposedly unknown, New York pulmonologist Dr. Pierre Kory and others tried to get the word out about ivermectin. A widely used antiparasitic drug that’s listed on the World Health Organization’s essential medicines list1 and approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, ivermectin is widely available, inexpensive and has a long history of safe usage.
The problem with allowing ivermectin to be used made the emergency use authorization for the (untested) "vaccine" impossible. You cannot have a drug with the EUA if there is another available (and tested) drug on the market.
Its all about the benjamins...
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:26 am to TigerDoc
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By that time, there was a vaccine and there was good reason to dissuade people from using ivermectin for prophylaxis at least in favor of getting vaccinated.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:30 am to TigerDoc
quote:FYI, Ivermectin entered the discussion in Spring of 2020 ( April 2020, June 2020, June 2020, June 2020). Several studies dealing with Ivermectin and Covid appeared in that timeframe. We were discussing it here as well.
during 2020, HCQ was the hotness
The APOC vs non-APOC study, perhaps the most most convincing, was published later in Dec 2020.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:33 am to VoxDawg
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NOT A VACCINE.
Of course it's a vaccine.
Effectiveness is a separate issue.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:34 am to Cajun75
Thanks for posting the OP. I have grown tired of trying to explain this to close minded people that refuse help.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:35 am to Flats
quote:No. It's unforgivable.
So the medical profession as a whole was no different than PT? You’re ok with that?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:35 am to TigerDoc
How many boosters have you taken?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:38 am to NC_Tigah
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Of course it's a vaccine.
Because they said it was? It didn't keep you from getting it. It didn't provide immunity to the disease in the event of exposure. It didn't prevent the spread of the disease to others.
I'm not seeing any boxes checked that fit the definition.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:40 am to tide06
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It worked well as an early phase drug similar to tamiflu where it has to be taken within 48-72 hours, but is not effective once Covid is well established based on the data I’ve seen.
that is also accurate from all the stuff i've heard as well.
if y'all really want some hardcore data crunches on stuff like this i suggest following EthicalSkeptic on X.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:42 am to TigerDoc
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I'm torn about this. Part of me agrees there should've been more forbearance early on. The other part (and the part you're glossing over, Flats), is that DEMe channels were not promoting vaccine + ivermectin as in your hypothetical. Ivermectin was being viscously blocked as an alternative. The public health message in response was to take a vaccine and only the vaccine with very little proven health benefits instead.
thats better.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:43 am to Flats
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Worst case you took a placebo; who cares?
Actual worse case is that you rid your body of parasites. There is a reason many in the farming industry have taken a bit of the “horse paste” when they treated their livestock.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:49 am to Cajun75
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Ivermectin did work, new proof
Everyone knew. Health professionals lied about it, and now they're shocked that people don't trust them anymore.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:51 am to TigerDoc
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By that time, there was a vaccine and there was good reason to dissuade people from using ivermectin for prophylaxis at least in favor of getting vaccinated.
By "dissuade" you mean get openly mocked online, canceled, de-platformed, yank medical licenses, fabricate conflicting research, and be banned by pharmaceutical boards? All while the initial promises of the vaccine literally crumbled?
Its kind of hard to pull off re-writing history when we were all there too. LOL
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:56 am to STEVED00
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Actual worse case is that you rid your body of parasites. There is a reason many in the farming industry have taken a bit of the “horse paste” when they treated their livestock.
This isn’t rocket science. I got a new dog recently for the shelter and he had puppy aka démodectic mange. After waiting a couple of weeks to see if he’d get rid of it naturally I find the ivermectin protocol online for demodec mites in dogs, verify it from several different sources, do the math for his body weight, go to Tractor Supply and buy horse paste, give appropriate dose, mange gone.
I never took ivermectin but it would be just as easy to figure out the human dose.
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