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re: I've flipped. I'm Pro-Abortion af nowadays

Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:24 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47817 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:24 am to
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You should explain why massacring the Canaanite and Midianite infants was morally good, while allowing “bad” people to eliminate their own children is morally bad.
I have an answer to that. You have no answer to how you can meaningfully condemn anything as evil in your worldview, because good and evil are constructs of each individual mind, with no outside standard to compare to in order to know what is true and false.

According to your worldview of subjective morality, Hitler was just doing what seemed good in his own eyes and no one else should have told him he was wrong, because there is no “wrong” in any true sense beyond what each person believes.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
24369 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:32 am to
If the choices remain on the extremes. No abortion for any reason whatsoever or late term abortions…, I’m pro abortion.

Just like no gums or all guns… I’m all guns if those are my choices.

Nation of extreme crazies. No one wants to compromise because of the absolute threat of legislation creep. That’s very real.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
25411 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:53 am to
Let me preface this by saying I understand where you’re coming from in terms of intent to avoid negative consequences later.

But if your political plan involves supporting the murder of children you need a better plan.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
4181 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:27 pm to
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I have an answer to that.



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You have no answer to how you can meaningfully condemn anything as evil in your worldview,

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62725 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:53 pm to
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No pro-life people are aborting their kids... just the libs and undesirables.


It’s not the child’s fault his/her parents are loons. There is no guarantee this child will grow up a leftist lunatic. And even if it does, is that deserving of death?
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
4181 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:24 pm to
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So by saying you are good with it because it’s pro choice doing the abortion means you are ok with eugenics and ok with murdering a soul because they *might* become liberal.

The omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, spaceless, timeless, uncaused creator of the universe and objective morality, and hater of foreskins sets a great moral example for us.

He commanded the killing of Canaanite babies because they would be evil (they would convince the Israelites to worship other gods). He personally killed the Egyptian firstborn children just to show off. He bragged about commanding the Israelites to offer their firstborn children to him (sacrifice in the fire) to teach them a lesson for doing evil. He created a magic abortion potion procedure for women accused of committing adultery. It’s all in the “Good” Book.

Democrats are definitely evil. And He punishes the descendants of those who hate Him to the third and fourth generation. He caused David’s son to suffer for 8 days and then killed him as punishment for David’s sin.

So He gives us that “objective moral standard”. When parents are evil, kill their babies. When babies could grow up to be evil, kill them too.

For those like me who understand the Bible as myth, and adopt a humanistic moral standard, the morality of allowing abortion becomes more nuanced and difficult. On one hand, infanticide is just sick and depraved. It denies the baby the right to life that we all enjoy. It is unfair to the baby. On the other hand, considering the well-being and happiness of society as a whole, allowing sick depraved people to carry out sick and depraved acts in this case leads to lower crime including violent crime, murder, and rape, lower drug use, less dregs of society suckling from the teat if Uncle Sam, and less Democrat commies to vote away our own constitutional rights. It’s not cut and dry to know what is truly the right thing to allow.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47817 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 12:24 am to
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I have an answer to that.
Well...we're waiting
You'll just have to keep waiting for a while. I'm not going to rehash it when you can't even justify moral condemnation at all in your worldview.

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You have no answer to how you can meaningfully condemn anything as evil in your worldview,
See, now that right there is a lie
It isn't. I've explained in great detail how that is the truth according to your own worldview in two separate threads over the past week. You stopped responding in both of those, and it seems like you're going to make that a third if I start over and re-explain it to you.

Your inability to understand the logical connections between your professed beliefs about moral subjectivity and the arbitrariness/irrationality of your own moral judgements doesn't mean I'm lying.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
4181 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 6:27 am to
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You'll just have to keep waiting for a while. I'm not going to rehash it when you can't even justify moral condemnation at all in your worldview.


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It isn't.

No, you’re lying. I’ve explained in great detail. I given an answer. You don’t understand the answer due to your own stupidity and biases and you don’t like my answer. But saying I have no answer is a lie. You and Satan have more in common than you realize.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
13953 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 6:37 am to
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For those like me who understand the Bible as myth, and adopt a humanistic moral standard, the morality of allowing abortion becomes more nuanced and difficult. On one hand, infanticide is just sick and depraved. It denies the baby the right to life that we all enjoy. It is unfair to the baby. On the other hand, considering the well-being and happiness of society as a whole, allowing sick depraved people to carry out sick and depraved acts in this case leads to lower crime including violent crime, murder, and rape, lower drug use, less dregs of society suckling from the teat if Uncle Sam, and less Democrat commies to vote away our own constitutional rights. It’s not cut and dry to know what is truly the right thing to allow.


Sure, it is. Whatever decreases the number of leftists is good. There is nothing positive about the existence of the evil, virulent, power mad strain of them.

straight to the point, less blather
Posted by JackieSonnier
South Crowley
Member since Nov 2023
543 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 6:44 am to
God gave specific instructions on both batters so your stance is wrong.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47817 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:16 am to
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No, you’re lying. I’ve explained in great detail. I given an answer. You don’t understand the answer due to your own stupidity and biases and you don’t like my answer.
You provide no logical argumentation to follow. You simply emote and name-call and then provide some assertion that isn’t supported with argumentation and reasoning. It’s not that I don’t understand you, but that you are not actually making an argument. When you do, it’s not addressing the point I’m making about objective vs subjective morality, because, as I’ve showed you several times, you don’t understand the categories.

Take this statement as an example. You gave a mere assertion without support for it. You aren’t quoting anything else from me or linking to my posts to support your claim. You purposefully only quoted two words.

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But saying I have no answer is a lie. You and Satan have more in common than you realize.
You have no meaningful answer. That’s what I said previously. By meaningful, I mean an answer that provides satisfaction for rationality. Your answer is entirely arbitrary, as I’ve been explaining to you recently, and arbitrariness is irrational.

This is another example of either an entire lack of understanding on your part, or a purposeful deception. You again accuse me of what you are doing, yourself.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
15728 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:18 am to
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I'm not going to rehash it


Yes you are.

That guy absolutely controls you.

He'll say jump pretty soon and you'll ask how high.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
7382 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:49 am to
Anyone with this stance is not a Christian.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
4181 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 4:45 pm to
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You again accuse me of what you are doing, yourself.

Nope, Foo, you do the same as Satan and the democrats. Lying, deceiving, and projecting.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47817 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:23 pm to
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Nope, Foo, you do the same as Satan and the democrats. Lying, deceiving, and projecting.
Considering you aren’t supporting your accusations with any evidence and that you have nothing but name-calling left to offer, I’ll consider this another concession by you. That’s three threads in one week. Must be a record!
Posted by DraggingPride
Member since Jul 2024
164 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 2:48 am to
goes back to the whole gay debate, if everyone does it...then we eventually dont exist so it by simple math, can't be good
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
50387 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:46 am to
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What an evil and vile thing to say. You don't their politics so just go ahead and murder their kids. Vile. All babies deserve life and not to be ripped apart in a butcher's office.


I don't think it is evil and vile at all. It is reality. The only good thing that could come from people that are pro abortion is that they will not be raising a person with the same values that would go on to potentially murder another child. The sad thing is that politics is even part of this. Politics should never have anything to do with decide to abort a child. No one should want to abort a child for any reason.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
21856 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:24 am to
Assisted suicide in Canada is like late a term abortion allowed at any age, and they are purging them by the tens of thousands. I guess that’s one way to cut down on the socialized medicine costs. Be like a hockey stick and get the puck outta here. Next stop, Logan’s Run finally arrives.

“In Canada, medically assisted suicide and euthanasia are legally designated as Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID). Since its legalization in June 2016 through 2024, a cumulative total of over 76,000 Canadians have received MAID, with annual totals rising steadily each year, though the year-over-year growth rate has slowed down recently.”
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
4181 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 6:35 am to
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Considering you aren’t supporting your accusations with any evidence and that you have nothing but name-calling left to offer, I’ll consider this another concession by you.

Nope, you can’t just come here and assert lies. No concession by me and no win for you. And you didn’t provide an answer for the question about the morality of killing babies though you said you had one. You’re a hack, a troll.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47817 posts
Posted on 8/15/26 at 9:35 am to
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Nope, you can’t just come here and assert lies. No concession by me and no win for you.
You need to stop this. You keep calling me a liar without supporting the claim that I’m a liar. I spend a lot of time explaining myself and you don’t even return the courtesy by providing any defense beyond the claim, itself.

If all you have left is name-calling, then you are demonstrating that your position is indefensible. You might as well say as much, because you are saying it without saying it already.

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And you didn’t provide an answer for the question about the morality of killing babies though you said you had one. You’re a hack, a troll.
I don’t need to explain it to anyone else because no one else is asking about it in good faith. You certainly aren’t.

You are the one who keeps bringing that up, and you have shown that your position of subjective morality is irrational due to the arbitrariness of it. Therefore, if you can’t even justify morality in your worldview, then I don’t need to justify anything to you as a moral action or not, because according to your own worldview, everything is permissible and nothing is truly “immoral”; it’s whatever each person wants it to be. As such, even if God commanded the rape, torture, and murder of every man, woman, and child in the whole world, you still wouldn’t have a rational basis to condemn it in your worldview.

I’ve been trying to get you to admit to this over the past week or so in particular, but it seems that you are either still struggling with logical concepts, or you are in denial.

Either way, I’m not going to defend the justification for total war in the Bible against someone who isn’t asking about it in good faith, and who doesn’t understand that he has no basis for condemning anything as truly immoral in the first place.
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