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re: It's scary to think how far back this shut down is going to set the working American
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:21 am to wutangfinancial
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:21 am to wutangfinancial
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Can anybody find this data? I've tried several times and can only find Covid statistics. There's usually 3 year lag on deaths for the CDC.
It's not just who died of other things that were reported as COVID deaths. The biggest cost (cancer-wise) is who wasn't diagnosed with cancer because governments shut down "non-essential healthcare" - - -
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Compared to Quest’s baseline period from January 2019 through February 2020, during the seven weeks from March 1 through April 18, the mean weekly number of newly diagnosed cancer patients plunged 46.4% for all six types: breast, colorectal, lung, gastric, pancreatic, and esophageal. The biggest drop was 51.8% in breast cancer and the smallest decrease was 24.7% in pancreatic cancer.
So how important is early detection to the survival of a cancer patient?
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:23 am to LSUROXS
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Please explain? States are controlled by Governors, Mayors, County judges.
There should have been a national plan created that all states would follow.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:24 am to stout
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I have seen it mentioned in various articles. Nothing like the CDC but some of the info is out there.
I mean it's quite obvious the death rate in the U.S. probably won't even be statistically significant at this point. Then you add on top the future death rates should fall all other things equal (not with 20% U/E, closed schools) and you start to wonder WTF is going on. I've said Since about April when the massive death wave didn't come it's always been about a state recap and as it drags out that's becoming more true. Probably was semi-sincere at one point.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:25 am to c on z
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There should have been a national plan created that all states would follow.
Nothing like centralizing a pandemic plan when 50 states are all completely different demographically, geographcially and from a health stand point. Genius stuff.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:25 am to NIH
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Pretending as if Trump is some victim here is ignorant.
Pretending governors and etc are merely "following guidelines" is worse.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:25 am to c on z
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Please explain? States are controlled by Governors, Mayors, County judges.
There should have been a national plan created that all states would follow.
I know. Dude could have gotten the media and all those governors on board in not buying into the crazy hysteria, and things would have been so much better.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:28 am to Homesick Tiger
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You talking about federal intervention in state governments?
You mean by paying for everything? Yeah. Call it that. Doesn't matter. Point is Trump should have never played along, nor funded the Dem's country-crushing game.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:29 am to gthog61
The guidelines set the benchmarks at positive cases and hospitalizations
Guess what increases when you tell everyone to go get tested
Guess what increases when you tell everyone to go get tested
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:29 am to stout
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All of this and the stock market is chugging along. I think when the reality really hits the lingering effects of this will be far greater than 2007-08.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:35 am to NIH
We are all great politicians and have every correct answer and remedy after the fact correct?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:37 am to LSUROXS
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Please explain? States are controlled by Governors, Mayors, County judges.
Trump repeatedly asserted in April that he had the requisite authority to override any shutdown order. So, by his account, he has tacitly approved every shutdown or phased shutdown that has been issued.
"For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect....It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue. A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!" Trump twitter, April 2020
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:38 am to David_DJS
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Point is Trump should have never played along, nor funded the Dem's country-crushing game.
Agreed. I thought you were talking about the disease itself and not the after effects. That's what I was alluding to, the disease.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:38 am to Pelican fan99
Middle class are doctors, engineers, lawyers, architects, professors...
Those people are doing just fine. It's destroying the working poor.
Those people are doing just fine. It's destroying the working poor.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:41 am to cajunangelle
I was just talking to friends that one of the long term effects of this is the impact it will have on people's retirements.
I think that is going to be a huge issue down the road. Right now, cities are asking to be bailed out because of riot damage. I see a crisis where we will be asked to bail out seniors who will be struggling to live on SS after their retirement funds were decimated during this shutdown and the subsequent economic slowdown. A 60 year old is going to have a difficult time finding a job these days.
I think that is going to be a huge issue down the road. Right now, cities are asking to be bailed out because of riot damage. I see a crisis where we will be asked to bail out seniors who will be struggling to live on SS after their retirement funds were decimated during this shutdown and the subsequent economic slowdown. A 60 year old is going to have a difficult time finding a job these days.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:41 am to stout
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I am pretty insulated currently so I am thankful but as you know 2008 caused me to start all over. It's not fun but it can be done.
Yup
You will be fine and in the right biz. You can adapt
There are many weak ppl on this board that will not tho
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:42 am to Homesick Tiger
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Trump messed up on COVID
I keep seeing this but I have yet to hear what someone else would have done differently that would have had a more positive effect on handling the virus.
Exactly. The man cut off most flights to and from China. What else could be done? There was nothing else he could have done, but watch and wait.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:44 am to Jp1LSU
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xactly. The man cut off most flights to and from China. What else could be done? There was nothing else he could have done, but watch and wait.
He could have completely changed the economic/societal impact of COVID-19.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:50 am to David_DJS
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He could have completely changed the economic/societal impact of COVID-19.
The doctors told him it was just a few cases that would go away in a few weeks. They told him the warm weather would make it go away. People are expecting him to suddenly have a PhD in infectious diseases. How was he supposed to know you can catch diseases from other people.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:52 am to Jp1LSU
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The doctors told him it was just a few cases that would go away in a few weeks. They told him the warm weather would make it go away. People are expecting him to suddenly have a PhD in infectious diseases. How was he supposed to know you can catch diseases from other people
What?
Trump didn't need a PhD in infectious diseases to know that you don't treat a really bad flu by throwing 40 million people in the unemployment line?
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:54 am to Jax-Tiger
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I was just talking to friends that one of the long term effects of this is the impact it will have on people's retirements.
It will no doubt have a negative impact in a couple of years. The stock market is fine now BUT does anyone not think it is all smoke and mirrors and a day of reckoning will come??? My retirement is still booming after taking an initial hit...its rebounding and is booming at the moment but it can't be sustainable for the next 7 years or so....even in low risk low return investments all it could possibly do is stay relatively stable over the next 7 - 10 years and with inflation that is losing money...its a pain in the arse to wear a mask and not be able to eat at a restaurant and go to a movie but the real impacts are unseen and will be for years to come.
Kids have, for all intents and purposes, missed a year of school at this point....every August they have to revisit March through May of the previous year in the best of times because kids forget what they learned...so when school goes back now they will spend the entire year reviewing last year...that is going to cause problems down the road.
College students are paying for in person instruction at reputable institutions and going to what amounts to Devry Online...not denigrate DeVry...many military people are educated at similar places and do very well for themselves....but they are trade schools for the most part, they do not delve into the critical thinking that a traditional university does...and those kids in those traditional universities right now are neither getting a traditional, critical thinking based education OR a practical trade school education....they are getting a hyrbid and it is going to cost them their entire careers.
The list of negative impacts is long and most of the items won't be known for several years. You can't experience an upheaval in society the likes of which we have seen since March and come out clean on the other side....
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