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re: Is Trump reshaping our entire strategic alliance to South America and the indo pacific?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:30 am to td01241
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:30 am to td01241
Is it fair to say you think things would kick off just trying to walk that path?
I think if we remove the Soros open society judicial activists from the process and the media isn’t running interference for them people would be fine living in peace in Detroit, Baltimore and Jackson.
They get pissed off because they’re being told everyday it’s racism when it’s actually lack of consequences downstream from an attempt by neocommunists to subvert America on racial rather than class lines.
If we address the NWO funded neo-commies the racial divisions can be addressed honestly and transparently.
I think if we remove the Soros open society judicial activists from the process and the media isn’t running interference for them people would be fine living in peace in Detroit, Baltimore and Jackson.
They get pissed off because they’re being told everyday it’s racism when it’s actually lack of consequences downstream from an attempt by neocommunists to subvert America on racial rather than class lines.
If we address the NWO funded neo-commies the racial divisions can be addressed honestly and transparently.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:41 am to tide06
I think, and this is mostly just pure speculation with some deductive reasoning from things we know, Trump sees two things here and is basically just playing a map game like total war (its a video game for those unfamiliar)
1. He realizes how dangerous it is to have rogue criminal elements close to home in south america that also embed themselves inside the US and Canada, especially if war were to ever come with china as they will serve a similar role that hezbollah and hamas does for iran, and thinks its worth whatever it costs to minimize this threat as much as possible
2. I think he sees more in the collective leaders of South America Japan etc the will to act, desire for greatness, ambition to be better, and also now more aligned with us on a values basis as europe becomes more woke and progressive.
So if youre trump looking at the map and you look at europe who offers you nothing military wise, little to nothing in resources, is a moral busybody, and now has show they wont help if asked then you look at south america who has shown that when their countries are freed from the yoke of cartels (Argentina El Salvador) they have the potential to blossom into solid military partners, the entire continent offers you vast resources, and theyre more aligned with your values
Which alliance do you pick in your map game if the objective is to isolate and defang china or if worst comes defeat them in combat??
1. He realizes how dangerous it is to have rogue criminal elements close to home in south america that also embed themselves inside the US and Canada, especially if war were to ever come with china as they will serve a similar role that hezbollah and hamas does for iran, and thinks its worth whatever it costs to minimize this threat as much as possible
2. I think he sees more in the collective leaders of South America Japan etc the will to act, desire for greatness, ambition to be better, and also now more aligned with us on a values basis as europe becomes more woke and progressive.
So if youre trump looking at the map and you look at europe who offers you nothing military wise, little to nothing in resources, is a moral busybody, and now has show they wont help if asked then you look at south america who has shown that when their countries are freed from the yoke of cartels (Argentina El Salvador) they have the potential to blossom into solid military partners, the entire continent offers you vast resources, and theyre more aligned with your values
Which alliance do you pick in your map game if the objective is to isolate and defang china or if worst comes defeat them in combat??
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:42 am to kingbob
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Greenland, Venezuela, Cuba, Canada, Israel, looking forward to many more beautiful stars added to our grand ol’ flag.
Israel isn't in our hemisphere but if the earth goes back as it was in the days of Peleg when the earth was divided...it might be.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:42 am to td01241
I think of the world right now as an incredibly complex Swiss watch movement. Some meaningless trinket within eyesight of you probably has materials from a dozen or more countries in it, all moved around the world with precision timing to be created into the product you have and then moved again to you through difficult conditions (weather, geography, conflict). The upside of that is that it brought countries from abject poverty to sophisticated economies in the span of a couple of decades. People our age in Chinese cities with MacBooks and iPhones and drones and electric vehicles have parents who were carrying water by hand from rivers in the 90s. It's astonishing, honestly.
Those countries can now make and consume products, both ours and theirs. But they're entirely dependent on the US maintaining the current order. And almost everywhere, the people who buy the stuff and who make the stuff are aging out.
On top of that, COVID was the last straw to show the world how fragile and extended things have become and it's very apparent that it will not continue unless the United States is prepared to oversee and maintain it. And we're not.
So we're preparing to move to quartz, so to speak. Simplified supply chains, less extension, less projection of power fewer parts to break. It's why we want to make semiconductors in Arizona, why we want Brazil for rare earths, the lithium triangle, see Colombia as a future labor source, etc. Unlike much of the world the US has a clear path to keeping things fairly steady in what will likely be extremely turbulent decades to come - but that requires the groundwork of bringing production home/nearshoring, sourcing materials from cooperative nations closer to home, finding a supply of labor that isn't shrinking drastically every year.
I *think* this is a major component of the Iran decision that the administration is not talking about explicitly. Not just depriving potential foes (which really aren't that formidable) of energy, but of leaving a problematic region in the care of Israel and the gulf states without Iran as a wolf in the mix with the hope that we won't need to stick our nose into stuff happening 6000 miles away.
Those countries can now make and consume products, both ours and theirs. But they're entirely dependent on the US maintaining the current order. And almost everywhere, the people who buy the stuff and who make the stuff are aging out.
On top of that, COVID was the last straw to show the world how fragile and extended things have become and it's very apparent that it will not continue unless the United States is prepared to oversee and maintain it. And we're not.
So we're preparing to move to quartz, so to speak. Simplified supply chains, less extension, less projection of power fewer parts to break. It's why we want to make semiconductors in Arizona, why we want Brazil for rare earths, the lithium triangle, see Colombia as a future labor source, etc. Unlike much of the world the US has a clear path to keeping things fairly steady in what will likely be extremely turbulent decades to come - but that requires the groundwork of bringing production home/nearshoring, sourcing materials from cooperative nations closer to home, finding a supply of labor that isn't shrinking drastically every year.
I *think* this is a major component of the Iran decision that the administration is not talking about explicitly. Not just depriving potential foes (which really aren't that formidable) of energy, but of leaving a problematic region in the care of Israel and the gulf states without Iran as a wolf in the mix with the hope that we won't need to stick our nose into stuff happening 6000 miles away.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:44 am to tide06
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They get pissed off because they’re being told everyday it’s racism when it’s actually lack of consequences downstream from an attempt by neocommunists to subvert America on racial rather than class lines.
"Racism" seems to be their favorite excuse to break the laws and do harm.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:45 am to td01241
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I think he sees more in the collective leaders of South America Japan etc the will to act, desire for greatness, ambition to be better, and also now more aligned with us on a values basis as europe becomes more woke and progressive
Also a want to preserve and promote their individualism through culture and history. Something Euros and leftists here openly despise.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:47 am to Pettifogger
I agree, and it ties into what im talking about. We want Israel to be able to run and handle things in the middle east from a security perspective independent of us which as you said will allow us to put more time and focus into places wed much rather be doing it.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:50 am to td01241
At this point I would rather stand as a fully-united North and South American alliance than to continue trying to force a co-op with the completely cuckolded European continent that will eventually cede themselves to Islam and China, who will ultimately kill them all and then fight it out for the land.
The bigger problem in trying to unite the Americas is going to be American liberals, and Canada.
The bigger problem in trying to unite the Americas is going to be American liberals, and Canada.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:51 am to Pettifogger
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I *think* this is a major component of the Iran decision that the administration is not talking about explicitly. Not just depriving potential foes (which really aren't that formidable) of energy, but of leaving a problematic region in the care of Israel and the gulf states without Iran as a wolf in the mix with the hope that we won't need to stick our nose into stuff happening 6000 miles away.
This.
So, we will walk away, and Bibi can "retire".
No reason for the US to keep being exploited by Isreal if Iran is dealt with.
There will be some trying to pivot to Turkey, (already starting the drums) but that is going to be a hard no.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 10:54 am to ReauxlTide222
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We’re repositioning to be able to handle the coming tech race and everything it brings. China has an advantage. They have many inorganic advantages. We’re going to address those, and shed some of the chains liberals have shackled us with.
China only has to wait us out. We'll hand power over to a globalist Republican or socalist Democrat very soon and all restructuring of the global order will quickly be undone.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:00 am to Pettifogger
quote:Yep. If Israel can be the regional hegemon, it's better for everyone.
leaving a problematic region in the care of Israel and the gulf states without Iran as a wolf in the mix with the hope that we won't need to stick our nose into stuff happening 6000 miles away.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:05 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:Sure
China only has to wait us out. We'll hand power over to a globalist Republican or socalist Democrat very soon and all restructuring of the global order will quickly be undone.
But until that happens, we fight
And when it does happen, we fight harder
This post was edited on 3/18/26 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:12 am to ReauxlTide222
Exactly. Why be such a doomer? Is he suggesting we should just submit 
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:17 am to td01241
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Is he suggesting we should just submit
No, but have a realistic outlook and prepare accordingly.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:20 am to td01241
Indeed
Europe and China growing closer only hurts China in the long run. Imagine being able to export our own liberal class to China. It’s like exporting a bunch of insane pussified men and bat shut crazy Karen’s, with no leadership or brilliant minds. China would either kill them or make slaves out of them. Same fate awaits some these pussified European geniuses.
Europe and China growing closer only hurts China in the long run. Imagine being able to export our own liberal class to China. It’s like exporting a bunch of insane pussified men and bat shut crazy Karen’s, with no leadership or brilliant minds. China would either kill them or make slaves out of them. Same fate awaits some these pussified European geniuses.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:25 am to Padme
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Imagine being able to export our own liberal class to China.
The Chinese aren’t stupid. They would never allow this. They depend on these people in western nations to advance their interests.
Posted on 3/18/26 at 11:29 am to lurking
Europe would gladly take them and they want to go to there.
Let’s say Europe joins China which they want to do anyway obviously, in the event we make a new form of something following the nato framework involving the parties I laid out in the OP.
We would then be forced to demand Canada join neither, or occupy it if they refuse. But that’s beside the point.
If you take a more forward looking perspective, and assuming we can continue the clean up of South America country by country which has our hand behind it don’t be fooled, I think its obvious which is better.
What does Europe offer China? They’re offering us nothing now. Are they going to pop something to offer them out of thin air?
Let’s say Europe joins China which they want to do anyway obviously, in the event we make a new form of something following the nato framework involving the parties I laid out in the OP.
We would then be forced to demand Canada join neither, or occupy it if they refuse. But that’s beside the point.
If you take a more forward looking perspective, and assuming we can continue the clean up of South America country by country which has our hand behind it don’t be fooled, I think its obvious which is better.
What does Europe offer China? They’re offering us nothing now. Are they going to pop something to offer them out of thin air?
Posted on 3/18/26 at 12:01 pm to td01241
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What does Europe offer China?
It’s hard to know exactly what China wants other than a diminished west.
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Wang Huning, considered Xi’s chief strategist, has successfully argued that China must resist “global liberal influence” and has called for “a culturally unified and self-confident nation governed by a strong, centralized party-state” that is “immune to Western liberalism.” Xi is said to share Wang’s thinking. Xi is equally repulsed by commercialization, the new rich and what is perceived as a loss of values. These are seen as deriving from Western liberal capitalism and are considered symbols of decadence and existential threats. Xi wants to direct the nation back onto what he sees as the righteous path with a common prosperity campaign.
I read this article a few years back that sums up their broad strategy and motivations in Europe.
LINK
Posted on 3/18/26 at 12:20 pm to lurking
Thanks for posting it I’ll check it out when I get a moment
Posted on 3/18/26 at 12:20 pm to td01241
It’s not too detailed, but gives a bit of a look into their mindset.
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