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re: Is the USA failing at education?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:28 am to TigerPlate
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:28 am to TigerPlate
When you intentionally mismanage the education system…
You’re going to get shitty education as a result.
The unstated goal is to force anyone with means to pay for private schools.
But it’s incredibly short sighted.
You’re going to get shitty education as a result.
The unstated goal is to force anyone with means to pay for private schools.
But it’s incredibly short sighted.
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Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:50 am to SoFlaGuy
Can’t fix it, when the Idiots still run the show.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:55 am to TigerPlate
not to put too fine a point on it pard, but if you graduated high school in 1966 you're 77 or 78 now the worrying about our nations youths ship has sailed for you. if you had any kind of a life, you would have married in the 70's your kids would be in their 50's and their kids would be in their 20's.how did they turn out?
you can rest easy old man, national statistics on education in a nation of 300 million are pulled down by two demographics neither of which place a high value on family structure or education, the rest of us are doing ok!
you can rest easy old man, national statistics on education in a nation of 300 million are pulled down by two demographics neither of which place a high value on family structure or education, the rest of us are doing ok!
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:00 am to TigerPlate
Two things that contribute to the problem:
a. People with high IQs are having way fewer kids than people with low IQs.
b. Fifty years ago the old lady teachers in grade school didn't give a shite about your self esteem. Today's young teachers don't want to hurt your feelings.
The worst thing I've heard is about 1st grade teachers calling roll and some kids don't answer because they don't know their real first names. I guess if mom has 7 kids by 7 dads she just calls them 'shorty', 'chubby', etc.
a. People with high IQs are having way fewer kids than people with low IQs.
b. Fifty years ago the old lady teachers in grade school didn't give a shite about your self esteem. Today's young teachers don't want to hurt your feelings.
The worst thing I've heard is about 1st grade teachers calling roll and some kids don't answer because they don't know their real first names. I guess if mom has 7 kids by 7 dads she just calls them 'shorty', 'chubby', etc.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:04 am to TigerPlate
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Is the USA failing at education?
Is this a joke?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:04 am to Zach
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The worst thing I've heard is about 1st grade teachers calling roll and some kids don't answer because they don't know their real first names. I guess if mom has 7 kids by 7 dads she just calls them 'shorty', 'chubby', etc.
again two primary demographics who do not place a high value on family structure or education, make everyone look bad on paper.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:05 am to TigerPlate
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Is the USA failing at education?
FAILED. Has the USA FAILED at education is the correct quesiton. And the answer is 100% yes. At least, public education. Private education is still top notch for the most part.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:08 am to saints5021
Yep, no child left behind is a joke. It should be the best education to the cream at the top.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:12 am to dickkellog
well dude, when you mature a little more, you will come to understand that 1966 graduates do concern themselves with grandchildren and great grandchildren contributing lots of retirement resources to desirable activities. Many schools have an activity called "Grandparents Day" which recognizes the contribution and shakes them down for more. My three kids have Bachlors, masters and doctoral degrees that serve them well and have a great knowledge of the world by having lived overseas for 8 years going to international grade schools. Your generation exposes kids to broader experiences through the travel ball experience. How will they turn out?
Next summer is our 60 year high school reunion. Class of 104 student had 5 couples marry and 4 are still together. Just a river parish location.
another old man
Next summer is our 60 year high school reunion. Class of 104 student had 5 couples marry and 4 are still together. Just a river parish location.
another old man
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:25 am to TigerPlate
We need to adopt a system similar to what Germany uses. About middle school age, kids are tested and then they are pushed to either a trades dedicated track or a more advanced/white collar track. They do a good job of assessing their students strengths and tutoring to that. They even offer a chance later on to change your track via testing, but their system is pretty much on the money in regards to what a students best interest is.
Parents would whine here though, because they would feel that the system is insulting their child. The obsession with having to go to college to be something has got to end. It's putting millions of people in debt and not teaching most of them any real skills.
You can't have doctors and engineers if there are no welders, electricians, plumbers, etc to build out infrastructure for them. And if you are good at those trades, you can make a damn good life for yourself that pays you a very good income.
Not everyone is cut out for college and needs to chase a masters, bachelors, etc... and it is time to show there is no shame in that, and that the trades are valuable and needed.
Parents would whine here though, because they would feel that the system is insulting their child. The obsession with having to go to college to be something has got to end. It's putting millions of people in debt and not teaching most of them any real skills.
You can't have doctors and engineers if there are no welders, electricians, plumbers, etc to build out infrastructure for them. And if you are good at those trades, you can make a damn good life for yourself that pays you a very good income.
Not everyone is cut out for college and needs to chase a masters, bachelors, etc... and it is time to show there is no shame in that, and that the trades are valuable and needed.
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 10:17 am to Trevaylin
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well dude, when you mature a little more,
well i'm 64, i don't know how much more mature i'm going to get. married for 40 years, 2 grown kids, first grand child on the way.
i did ok, you did ok. what makes you think everything is horrible. the answer faux news gave it up 6 years ago haven't missed it.
there are over 13,000 school districts in the US most are great, but when you include statistics for blacks and latino's mixed with whites and asians it makes everyone look bad. and then con servatives trumpet those numbers clutch their pearls and scream won't somebody fix "our" schools we must do something collectively to fix "our" schools. 87% of primary education funding is generated at the county level through property taxes.
my kids had great public schools, they went to schools, in phoenix. chicago, phoenix and dfw. we didn't move into those city's we moved into the suburbs of those city's and picked the ones that had excellent public schools! guess what the no child left behind act made that really easy because it required every school to post a detailed report on the demographics, the number of kids living in poverty and their scores on standardized test and post those reports on the line. so every time we would get moved into large metro areas i would go on the line and do a "where do de white folks live" search. that led us to cave creek, geneva, back to cave creek and ultimately flower mound and we always had excellent public schools.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 10:59 am to dickkellog
"ship has sailed for you". Have you given up at 64? A true boomer will always speak up for truth, justice and the American Way. As the President declared in the movie "Independence Day", we shall not go quietly into the night.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:10 am to Snipe
It was obviously meant to be a rhetorical question. Sorry if that was not clear to the readers.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:24 am to SoFlaGuy
Yes. Not worth sending a child to a public school. Total waste of time. All part of the Democrats end goal of converting our country to Islam.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:26 am to saints5021
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No child left behind ensured that all education is to the lowest common denominator.
Remember this when next we discuss the lack of need of H1Bs.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:26 am to TigerPlate
Whites were 75% of the population in 1990. Whites are now 55% of the population. The more nons you import or produce domestically, the worse everything will become.
Statistical data. The most racist creation in human history.
Statistical data. The most racist creation in human history.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:28 am to DByrd2
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Federalized education, beginning under Bush Jr.
Bush Jr? It was Jimmy Carter.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:31 am to TigerPlate
Not just in America but around the world, the breeders ( over three children) usually are not the brightest people of culture
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:50 am to SlayTime
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Whites were 75% of the population in 1990. Whites are now 55% of the population. The more nons you import or produce domestically, the worse everything will become. Statistical data. The most racist creation in human history.
Every other answer in this thread nonsense. This is the reason, and it coincides with the 1970s and onward when the majority of our immigration started coming from Central America and not Germany. The dramatic drop is probably why Carter started the department of education. We just can’t accept the truth as a civilization, and we will continue to try and level an unlevel playing field until it’s destroyed.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:53 am to TigerPlate
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why is the populace so uneducated?
1. We have a culturally diverse society, kind of to an extreme degree for a country as big as ours. That means we have cultures that highly value education (Asian) and cultures who value it little to none (you know), and varying degrees in between.
2. Compulsory mass government-regulated education is a socialist mechanism.
3. Socialist mechanisms inherently cater to the lowest common denominator and revolve policies around that LCD, and because of that (as well as other inherent features of socialism), the mechanism will inevitably end up devolving into a goat show no matter how shiny a penny it stared out as. At this point, educating students on reading, writing, and 'rithmatic is not the priority of public schools. Grooming kids into LGBTQ+ is up there, indoctrinating kids in subjects like intersectionality is way up there, but I would say that babysitting and distributing welfare benefits might be the top priority today.
And because it is a socialist mechanism, that shouldn't surprise anyone.
4. See number one. Our LCD is simply (much) lower than in, say, China or Japan. They have much more monolithic cultures and education is very high on their shared value hierarchy. We don't have nearly the cohesive shared sense of values here.
5. Parents have by far the greatest influence on the outcomes of students. Far, far more so than teachers.
What amazes me is that people think it's fixable in anything like its current state. That they think things like, "If we just paid teachers more" or "If we opened up school choice" it would fix it.
In the US of A, with our specific demographics, the only way to make public education better (it's still going to always suffer from being a socialist, collectivist mechanism...in that sense, it's unfixable) is to first stop making it compulsory and universal.
You don't want to be there? Great, get out. You at least won't be syphoning resources away from and distracting students whose parents DO want them to learn.
You just want to show up to get free breakfast/lunch and to be babysat? Nope. Get out. We have conduct and performance standards now and if you don't meet them, you can't be here.
That would be the first big step toward an improvement.
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