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re: Is the commodification of everything a predictable outcome of capitalism?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:09 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:09 pm to 4cubbies
Making it hard for incarcerated people to earn real money hurts their chances of success when they are released, too. With little to no savings, how can they possibly afford the immediate costs of food, housing, healthcare, transportation, child support, and supervison fees? People with felony convictions are often ineligible for government benefit programs like welfare and food stamps, and face barriers to finding stable housing and employment. And they may leave prison with just a bus ticket and $50 of “gate money,” if they have no other savings. So the meager earnings from prison work assignments can be essential to a person’s success – and even survival – when they return to their community.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:10 pm to 4cubbies
Criminal hobbyists?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:No no no. Because folks would simply shift focus and cry about for-profit penitentiaries.
We could just leave them in jails and avoid the commodification stuff
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:10 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:prove it.
more prevelant in Southern states
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
I am not sure where you are confused.
Help me out.
Help me out.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:11 pm to hashtag
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more prevelant in Southern states
prove it.
Huh?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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There is significant cost associated with fulfillment of that requirement.
Insofar as those costs are shouldered by society, lessening them makes sense.
This is the leap.
Over-incarceration has costs, yes.
Comparing those costs to other ways to spend similar money and the prospective outcomes is the discussion, or whether the costs of incarceration are worth the costs of the perceived alternative.
Saying "our potentially inefficient allocation of costs needs to be solved by doubling down on that potentially inefficient system" doesn't work.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:13 pm to BuckeyeGoon
Who cares what leftist think. The best thing we can do is stop listening to them. Make prisoners lives as horrible as we can. Make them work to pay for their existence.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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There is a task at hand .... societal safety.
I argue that the task at hand is acquiring free/super low cost labor.
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Lessening significant costs associated with removal and incarceration is NOT commodification
To my knowledge, this has never been a priority or even a consideration in recent history so it’s a moot point.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:14 pm to Roaad
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I am not sure where you are confused.
Help me out.
I originally spoke of our non-black population being worse (based on incarceration). You shifted it to white people. We still are worse just based on our white people (while everyone else has their disproportionate minority populations being over-represented).
Then you bring up, in response to a discussion about white people, " a diaspora and a specific and significant demographic's proclivity to violence and legal disregard"
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:16 pm to 4cubbies
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I argue that the task at hand is acquiring free/super low cost labor.
Thats because Marxists such as yourself are addicted to power ideals and other oppressed/oppressor fantasies.
You people are wired to always be the victim.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:16 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:you claim that it is more prevelant in Southern states than Northern states to use penal labor. show some facts that back up that statement.
Huh?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Your response was effectively "those countries have minority crime concerns, too" with respect to NZ, Israel, and Russia
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:19 pm to hashtag
He said prison farms, specifically.
I think he is right
I think he is right
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:24 pm to Roaad
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Your response was effectively "those countries have minority crime concerns, too" with respect to NZ, Israel, and Russia
No. I said we're comparing the "white only" US numbers to their TOTAL numbers (which in the case of NZ and Isreal are dominated by minority (Maori in NZ and Arabs in Israel) groups. And the US numbers are still worse, even with this unfair, non like:like comparison
It's the same thing with the rest of the West. Our "white only" numbers are still worse than their total numbers.
Imagine what the like:like would be.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you know where all Louisiana license plates are made?
From the basic research I just did, it seems like prisoners are paid to produce the license plates and they are taught job skills while in the program that could help them if/when they get out of prison. Is it your opinion that these types of programs shouldn't be offered to prisoners?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:35 pm to scottydoesntknow
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See back before capitalism, we didnt send thieves and murderers to prison
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:35 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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From the basic research I just did, it seems like prisoners are paid to produce the license plates and they are taught job skills while in the program that could help them if/when they get out of prison
How much are they paid?
If license plates are only made in prisons, how would learning how to make license plates help anyone secure a job making license plates post-release?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:36 pm to Roaad
quote:and you would both be wrong. The last study that looked into it found that all 50 states had prisoners doing agricultural work. 46 of those states have large agricultural prison farm systems in place. This isn't a north/south thing. This is prevalant across all of America, whether we're talking about working to maintain the prison, working in agriculture, or working to make products that are sold for a profit for the state.
He said prison farms, specifically.
I think he is right
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:36 pm to 4cubbies
More idiotic questions!
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