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re: Is protesting against the Israeli government the same as protesting against America?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:32 am to JimEverett
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:32 am to JimEverett
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It is criticizing government policy.
Yup. There are too many moving parts here. It just triggers my George Washington-beware-of-foreign-entanglements fears when people conflate America with Israel...OR WITH ANY OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY. My family has close ties with Israel. My parents went to Israel to celebrate its 25th birthday.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 7:42 am
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:36 am to IvoryBillMatt
If Americans want to protest Israel sure, the campus “protests” are mostly peaceful in the same way BLM was “mostly peaceful” - they need to be put down
I don’t have any problem with visas being revoked. Like it or not, the US has been allied with Israel for nearly a century. If you are a foreigner, it should not come as a shock to you that we are allied with Israel. Whether it’s Israel or any other US policy, foreigners should keep their mouths shut - it’s not their place to try and influence American policy
I don’t have any problem with visas being revoked. Like it or not, the US has been allied with Israel for nearly a century. If you are a foreigner, it should not come as a shock to you that we are allied with Israel. Whether it’s Israel or any other US policy, foreigners should keep their mouths shut - it’s not their place to try and influence American policy
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:38 am to dgnx6
Thanks for that, but I really wasn't talking about students or methods. I was trying to ask, "can you criticize Israel and not be considered anti-American?" My bad.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:43 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Thanks for that, but I really wasn't talking about students or methods. I was trying to ask, "can you criticize Israel and not be considered anti-American?" My bad.
Well can you say Israel is an ally without being considered anti American? It cuts both ways.
But the campus protests is as much as an anti American protest as it is anti Israel.
All you have to do is turn on corporate news channels and hear it.
America was never great, the constitution is racist, etc…
Harris lost because of misogyny.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:45 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Is protesting against the Israeli government the same as protesting against America?
No.
Protesting against Israel is MUCH worse.
Israel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ukraine>America>Rest of World.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:47 am to IvoryBillMatt
Look this is a retard thread with a retarded premise behind it.
No protesting what another gov does isn’t the same as protesting the American gov.
The problem with the dumb arse free Palestine people protesting is they are doing it in private areas and disrupting others. They aren’t just sitting on the parade ground chanting dumb shite. They are blocking access and harassing people. The American citizens protesting what Isreal does is dumb, the ones here doing it on visas are even dumber.
The same would be said for the people supporting Isreal. If they want to chant Isreal first go ahead it’s stupid but do it. Now you start pushing spitting or touching muzzies then it’s time to break it up and if you refuse to leave it’s bear mace time and cuffs. If the ones doing it were from Isreal send there arse back.
No protesting what another gov does isn’t the same as protesting the American gov.
The problem with the dumb arse free Palestine people protesting is they are doing it in private areas and disrupting others. They aren’t just sitting on the parade ground chanting dumb shite. They are blocking access and harassing people. The American citizens protesting what Isreal does is dumb, the ones here doing it on visas are even dumber.
The same would be said for the people supporting Isreal. If they want to chant Isreal first go ahead it’s stupid but do it. Now you start pushing spitting or touching muzzies then it’s time to break it up and if you refuse to leave it’s bear mace time and cuffs. If the ones doing it were from Isreal send there arse back.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:51 am to JimEverett
No they are losing visas because they are breaking laws by trespassing.
If I had a visa to go to Ireland and then proceeded to block roads or access to things while protesting the US gov or Isreal I’d expect deportation for breaking the rules of my visa.
If I had a visa to go to Ireland and then proceeded to block roads or access to things while protesting the US gov or Isreal I’d expect deportation for breaking the rules of my visa.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:53 am to Big4SALTbro
I think it is more than that.
I think an elected Administration should retain the right to deport non-citizens for their views. Period.
If it is or becomes overreach, or you just don't like it - vote them out. But it is important that the government have that ability.
I think an elected Administration should retain the right to deport non-citizens for their views. Period.
If it is or becomes overreach, or you just don't like it - vote them out. But it is important that the government have that ability.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:56 am to Big4SALTbro
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No protesting what another gov does isn’t the same as protesting the American gov.
That's all I was curious about.
I kept seeing comment from people saying "these foreigners can't be allowed to protest against America!" I just haven't seen many/any protest against America.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:56 am to JimEverett
I agree an admin should have the freedom to decide who gets to stay and go if the person isn’t a citizen.
Noncitizens shouldn’t be causing scenes
Noncitizens shouldn’t be causing scenes
Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:59 am to IvoryBillMatt
American citizens should be free to protest what our gov does if they want.
I think it’s retarded if a us citizen protest another country here as it does nothing.
I also think anyone on a visa here doing any protesting is fricking stupid. America, Israel or Palestine
I think it’s retarded if a us citizen protest another country here as it does nothing.
I also think anyone on a visa here doing any protesting is fricking stupid. America, Israel or Palestine
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:00 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I kept seeing comment from people saying "these foreigners can't be allowed to protest against America!" I just haven't seen many/any protest against America.
I just posted a video of one.
There has been other videos from Muslims here chanting death to America. What side of the Palestine argument do you think they are on?
The left currently believes a Nazi is in the White House. Their entire ideology is Anti American.
This is much deeper than, free Palestine. Some people obviously just join in not knowing anything, but this is leftism. They want a Marxist revolution.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 8:04 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:15 am to Big4SALTbro
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American citizens should be free to protest what our gov does if they want.
I think it’s retarded if a us citizen protest another country here as it does nothing.
I also think anyone on a visa here doing any protesting is fricking stupid. America, Israel or Palestine
You do understand that the USA is financing the workings of Israel's "self defense", right?
So Americans protesting what Israel does with US taxpayer dollars is legitimate, and whether it has any effect or not, is up in the air.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to dgnx6
Good morning, my friend dgnx6
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But the campus protests is as much as an anti American protest as it is anti Israel.
All you have to do is turn on corporate news channels and hear it.
Well, since the USA is financing Israel, would protesting "America's actions" be just as valid as protesting Israel's actions?
And I also would expect any "corporate news channel" to be fully on board with the MIC's and AIPAC's propaganda campaign to make anything that slows their progress as "anti-American".
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:25 am to Grassy1
Nah it’s silly just like it would make no difference if I protested everyday in DC about Ukraine we pay everything for them so it’s a similar situation.
Isreal isn’t going to stop getting aid because of protest they have bought our whore politicians
Isreal isn’t going to stop getting aid because of protest they have bought our whore politicians
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:25 am to IvoryBillMatt
I don’t understand why people, who are in college BTW, feel the need to protest/be disruptive on American soil about another country’s actions.
To answer your question, protesting Israel isn’t a protest against America. Protesting another country in America is my issue.
To answer your question, protesting Israel isn’t a protest against America. Protesting another country in America is my issue.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:38 am to Grassy1
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Well, since the USA is financing Israel, would protesting "America's actions" be just as valid as protesting Israel's actions?
I’m just pointing out to be really in on Palestine you have to have a certain ideology.
That generally comes with hating America.
I don’t see Jews chanting death to America or pro Israelis saying we need to destroy America. Haven’t seen Jewish teachers get their students to chant death to America in Hebrew.
And I also believe your obsession with Israel controlling the world is silly. And actually isn’t based on logic.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 8:40 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:45 am to dgnx6
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I’m just pointing out to be really in on Palestine you have to have a certain ideology.
That generally comes with hating America. I don’t see Jews chanting death to America or pro Israelis saying we need to destroy America. Haven’t seen Jewish teachers get their students to chant death to America in Hebrew. And I also believe your obsession with Israel controlling the world is silly. And actually isn’t based on logic.
Interesting points, my friend.
To be Pro-Palestinian, one must have a certain ideology? Like maybe being pro-human life. Like maybe have taken a little time to examine the entire context of the situation. Not just listening to the echo chamber of everyone of one ethnicity is bad.
And to be Pro-Palestinian costs nothing. According to B Netanyahu, for Americans to be pro-Israel, it costs American taxpayers billions per year, most than it costs to be anyone else’s “ally”.
Jewish teachers don’t need to chant death to the Palestinians. It’s happening. Every day. And those that favor it, aren’t seeking attention.
But many of those protesters are indeed Jewish. Many have compassion and even more of them probably realize that Israel’s actions are not helping most Jews.
Fyi, I don’t hate America. I’m very America First.
For those that dare to listen to another context point of view, search spotify or other for Candace Owens interviewing Norm Finklestein. It was in November of 2023.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:48 am to IvoryBillMatt
It’s a destabilizing tactic that some of the protesters have admitted.
GTFO
GTFO
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:49 am to Seeker
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don’t understand why people, who are in college BTW, feel the need to protest/be disruptive on American soil about another country’s actions.
To answer your question, protesting Israel isn’t a protest against America. Protesting another country in America is my issue.
You do realize that America is financing what another country is doing, right?
Is it not valid to protest the “country” that is funding the foreign country?
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