re: Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?

You only give a shite when Trump is in question. frick off. When was the last time a republican majority congress actually cut spending? How many who bitch about spending want to dump trillions on wasteful military build-up or have an issue with off-shoring energy and industry to pump their stock portfolios? Why is it this “concern” from trolls like you never raised its head for the entirety of Biden’s spend-happy term in office?

You want to cut spending? End the fed. Everything else is empty rhetoric.

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Terms like Liberal and Conservative, like so many others in our vocabulary, have been usurped for political purposes and have no fundamental meaning any longer, only relativistic meanings which change with the wind.

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Why this thread is starting from first principles and trying to discuss this very issue.

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Also, the simple two dimensional, left right, political model is and always has been woefully inadequate

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It's not really that big of a deal on single issues like spending.

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Psychologists would say your daddy either gave you too much attention (aka fricked your mouth) or not enough attention (aka doesn't even know you exist).

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Y'all are really melting down over having to discuss simple political ideals and principles.

This wasn't difficult to answer in my time on here from 2004-2015.

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Can you answer a simple question?

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This is rich

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1. More spending/increasing the national debt 2. Less spending/decreasing the national debt

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I think that such simplistic dualistic thinking about such a complex and morally gray topic should be beneath you.

Then again, the thing about continually debasing yourself in the pursuit of the small dopamine hits you get from acting this way is that it will make you pretty low.

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Now a LOT of the same people who were rightfully fed up with the GOP for being a bunch of talk want to go back to business as usual if that's what Trump wants to do.

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We only have to go back to May of 2023 and all the rage over Kevin McCarthy raising the debt ceiling.

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I think that such simplistic dualistic thinking about such a complex and morally gray topic should be beneath you.

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There is nothing "morally gray" about federal spending and our current deficit/debt situation.

Spending is described as an arithmetic function, so it is pretty binary from all the angles you can analyze it.

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Then again, the thing about continually debasing yourself in the pursuit of the small dopamine hits you get from acting this way is that it will make you pretty low.

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Why don't you try to answer the question?

Old-school conservatism, the kind you’re longing for, is gone. It’s done. The damage is too deep, and serious talks about cutting spending? Those are a thing of the past. DOGE feels like a Hail Mary, and how well it works (or how much pushback it gets) will show us where things really stand.

The economy’s a PONZI scheme and that’s why the debt has to keep climbing. A hard reset could fix it, but that would wreck the global economy, and nobody wants to be the one holding the bag when that happens. So instead, we just keep raising the debt ceiling, and working-class folks pay the price.

The middle class is barely hanging on. These days, $100K doesn’t go very far for a family, and yet the national median household income is still around $80K and much lower in states like Louisiana.

There are ways to help working people, though. We could repeal things like Obamacare, tackle sky-high property taxes, address the cost of housing by limiting hedge funds and foreign investments in single-family homes, etc. but we will not see any relief from a reduction in the national debt. That boat has sailed.

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Old-school conservatism, the kind you’re longing for, is gone. It’s done. The damage is too deep, and serious talks about cutting spending? Those are a thing of the past.

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You didn't realize this just a year or two ago when you had a very, eh, different take on raising the debt ceiling?