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Is it a prerequisite to be intellectually dishonest to be a Dim?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:39 pm
Sorry if the thread title triggered anyone but I’m being quite serious with this question.
It’s not that a Prog/Dim is always dishonest or deceptive in general conversation but when you get to a topic that’s one of those wedges between left and right, conservative or liberal more often than not a Dim can’t be completely honest with themselves or they risk destroying their beliefs in their progressive ideology.
As an example on the topic of abortion, many conservatives believe a unique individual is created at conception, whereas most progressives would not deny there is unique DNA created at conception but the moment of conception is meaningless when establishing whether it’s a unique individual....a life, a child.
At this point many conservatives are finished establishing when a life is brought forth but progressives have a lot of explaining, hem hawing and general confusion going forward.
Ask a progressive when is it a child, you’ll get some really imaginative answers that y’all have heard but the answer they won’t give that ends the conversation is quite simple.....here I’ll help some of my PT Prog/Dim leftists with this sticky question and you can shut pro life people down when this question inevitably comes up. Are you ready?
IT’S A CHILD WHEN THE WOMAN DECIDES IT’S A CHILD UP TO AND INCLUDING BIRTH!
Now you’re being honest, you’re wrong but at least you don’t have to hide behind the rape, incest, malformation of the child or life of the mother BS argument. If we Pro life conservatives give you those aforementioned circumstances you still want the right to terminate life at your convenience. You progressives can’t be bluntly honest because your honesty can be quite unsettling and ugly....but then you know that.
It’s not that a Prog/Dim is always dishonest or deceptive in general conversation but when you get to a topic that’s one of those wedges between left and right, conservative or liberal more often than not a Dim can’t be completely honest with themselves or they risk destroying their beliefs in their progressive ideology.
As an example on the topic of abortion, many conservatives believe a unique individual is created at conception, whereas most progressives would not deny there is unique DNA created at conception but the moment of conception is meaningless when establishing whether it’s a unique individual....a life, a child.
At this point many conservatives are finished establishing when a life is brought forth but progressives have a lot of explaining, hem hawing and general confusion going forward.
Ask a progressive when is it a child, you’ll get some really imaginative answers that y’all have heard but the answer they won’t give that ends the conversation is quite simple.....here I’ll help some of my PT Prog/Dim leftists with this sticky question and you can shut pro life people down when this question inevitably comes up. Are you ready?
IT’S A CHILD WHEN THE WOMAN DECIDES IT’S A CHILD UP TO AND INCLUDING BIRTH!
Now you’re being honest, you’re wrong but at least you don’t have to hide behind the rape, incest, malformation of the child or life of the mother BS argument. If we Pro life conservatives give you those aforementioned circumstances you still want the right to terminate life at your convenience. You progressives can’t be bluntly honest because your honesty can be quite unsettling and ugly....but then you know that.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 10:39 pm
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:00 pm to Bass Tiger
Dare you to claim Trump does not lie every single time he opens his mouth.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:04 pm to CelticDog
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Dare you to claim Trump does not lie every single time he opens his mouth.
I claim he doesn’t, You want to bet
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:04 pm to CelticDog
Trump does not lie every single time he opens his mouth.
There, stupid, I claimed it.
Dumbass libtards are too easy.
There, stupid, I claimed it.
Dumbass libtards are too easy.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:11 pm to CelticDog
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CelticDog
What a Liberal loser !
Father's Day is coming up.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:13 pm to CelticDog
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Dare you to claim Trump does not lie every single time he opens his mouth.
If you stupid fricks quit changing the meaning of words, then understanding your fellow Americans would not be so difficult. You are working very hard to become a subspecies.
By the way, I am still waiting for that $2,500 a year savings obama told me I would get.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:13 pm to CelticDog
You tell me, he certainly exaggerates and embellishes his accomplishments but that’s Trump loving him some Trump.
My thread is directed towards folks like myself and yourself, I used the abortion example but I heard another example today that’s pretty good.
There was a poll taken that ask the question, “Are your news sources biased towards your political beliefs”
Most Dims said no, they were simply watching the news being reported in an unbiased and honest fashion. Most conservatives who admitted they primarily watched Fox News said they believed the news was of a conservative bias on Fox.
What’s interesting is Fox News had a little over 50% favorable reporting for Trump and the rest of the DimMedia were over 90% negative of Trump, something seems askew. Lol!
My thread is directed towards folks like myself and yourself, I used the abortion example but I heard another example today that’s pretty good.
There was a poll taken that ask the question, “Are your news sources biased towards your political beliefs”
Most Dims said no, they were simply watching the news being reported in an unbiased and honest fashion. Most conservatives who admitted they primarily watched Fox News said they believed the news was of a conservative bias on Fox.
What’s interesting is Fox News had a little over 50% favorable reporting for Trump and the rest of the DimMedia were over 90% negative of Trump, something seems askew. Lol!
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:23 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:Major understatement!
something seems askew
BTW don't get too energetic when responding to Celtykat or most of his libtard buddies.
They have been reduced to drive by quickies since their hero, Muler didn't come through for them.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:43 pm to Bass Tiger
I dont Know that many real life people who support abortion up to birth.
I don't Think life starts at conception. A human life is more than its replicating cells (your cells will divide and go on living for a short time after you’re completely dead)
I think Probably there needs to be some level of consciousness
But I do Think we allow abortions probably later into development than when we were recognize consciousness.
I don't Think life starts at conception. A human life is more than its replicating cells (your cells will divide and go on living for a short time after you’re completely dead)
I think Probably there needs to be some level of consciousness
But I do Think we allow abortions probably later into development than when we were recognize consciousness.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:49 pm to SammyTiger
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I don't Think life starts at conception. A human life is more than its replicating cells (your cells will divide and go on living for a short time after you’re completely dead)
Don’t twist your mind up in knots. Either life begins at conception or life begins when a woman decides she wants the child....keep it simple so you’re not needlessly chasing your tail.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:51 pm to Bass Tiger
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Don’t twist your mind up in knots. Either life begins at conception or life begins when a woman decides she wants the child....keep it simple so you’re not needlessly chasing your tail.
Not everything has a clear black and white answer.
There is no developmental difference between a baby the day before it’s born and the day it’s born.
There is a pretty big difference between an single cell at conception and when a newborn.
The simple answer isn’t always the right one.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:52 pm to Bass Tiger
It sure helps
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:55 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Not everything has a clear black and white answer. There is no developmental difference between a baby the day before it’s born and the day it’s born. There is a pretty big difference between an single cell at conception and when a newborn. The simple answer isn’t always the right one.
You claim consciousness as the litmus test for life? Come now, you or I don’t remember a thing when we were just born, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, as I said don’t twist your mind in knots, I gave you the easy way out earlier...take it.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:59 pm to SammyTiger
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The simple answer isn’t always the right one.
Bruh.
Occam's razor.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:31 am to Bass Tiger
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Ask a progressive when is it a child, you’ll get some really imaginative answers that y’all have heard but the answer they won’t give that ends the conversation is quite simple.....here I’ll help some of my PT Prog/Dim leftists with this sticky question and you can shut pro life people down when this question inevitably comes up. Are you ready?
IT’S A CHILD WHEN THE WOMAN DECIDES IT’S A CHILD UP TO AND INCLUDING BIRTH!
As a rule, I dont believe in abortion beyond the 3 month period. Going further, I believe some form of emergency contraception like plan B should be used if involuntary or "accidental" insemination occurs.
I'm sure there are many far leftists who fall into your definition. They dont care about conception, only that the woman has total control. And this stems from the biological fact that men can sleep with women and leave them with the responsibility. They never mention how the system is rigged to support single mothers, but i digress.
That said, conservatives are being slightly dishonest as well. You know that the majority of abortions are black women and that white families usually have the resources to get the operation if needed. I assume this is because in your own way, you believe this will force Blacks to change their behavior. The flaw is that immediate evidence on how most poor Black families operate debunks this.
I'm okay with the abortion ban because at worst, it punishes the people pushing for indirectly.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 1:42 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:10 am to SammyTiger
SammyTiger I would like to thank you for being honest about your thoughts on the matter. Your points at least make sense and aren't arbitrary bullshite that we usually hear.
I do disagree with you though. If you reverse time and follow YOU back in time. There was a time when YOU were not viable outside of the womb, yet YOU where alive.
I do not know when a person becomes conscious, but don't confuse conscious with remembering something. It is a known fact that we are conscious long before we are able to remember events at a later date.
Genetically there has never been a person with your dna makeup. Never! YOU cam into existence when the egg was fertilized.
Prior to that there was no living organism that had your genetics. At that moment for the first time ever a LIVING organism was scientifically ALIVE with YOUR DNA.
That organism did not die and has yet to die. That organism is you. All that has happened to it since then is it grew.
YOU do not look like you did when you were an infant. You do not look like you did and hour before you were born. What you look like does not determine who or what you are.
If you go to China you are still you. If you are on a ventilator as you recover from guillian Barre syndrome you are still you. YOUR ability to breath on your own does not define you as human or not. Your location does not define you as human and alive or not.
If you are in china you are still alive and you. If you are in the womb that changes nothing about you being alive or human.
All butterflies where once ugly old caterpillars. All humans were one made of only a few cells. Still human.
I do disagree with you though. If you reverse time and follow YOU back in time. There was a time when YOU were not viable outside of the womb, yet YOU where alive.
I do not know when a person becomes conscious, but don't confuse conscious with remembering something. It is a known fact that we are conscious long before we are able to remember events at a later date.
Genetically there has never been a person with your dna makeup. Never! YOU cam into existence when the egg was fertilized.
Prior to that there was no living organism that had your genetics. At that moment for the first time ever a LIVING organism was scientifically ALIVE with YOUR DNA.
That organism did not die and has yet to die. That organism is you. All that has happened to it since then is it grew.
YOU do not look like you did when you were an infant. You do not look like you did and hour before you were born. What you look like does not determine who or what you are.
If you go to China you are still you. If you are on a ventilator as you recover from guillian Barre syndrome you are still you. YOUR ability to breath on your own does not define you as human or not. Your location does not define you as human and alive or not.
If you are in china you are still alive and you. If you are in the womb that changes nothing about you being alive or human.
All butterflies where once ugly old caterpillars. All humans were one made of only a few cells. Still human.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:21 am to Bass Tiger
Dishonest and mentally ill. No sane person could believe or do the things they do.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:25 am to omegaman66
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:05 am to CelticDog
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Dare you to claim Trump does not lie every single time he opens his mouth.
I accept your dare -
Trump exaggerates trivial crap - Democrats lie about serious shite.
THAT is the difference.
DEMOCRATs have not one issue where they are willing to debate the merits of their position - all they have are 'feelings'
And you can tell that DEMOCRAT lie about every issue because they will not even define the issue with real words - they create euphemisms for every 'principle' they pretend to hold.
Right to choose = wanton destruction of human life
undocumented immigrants = illegal aliens
sanctuary city = haven for criminals
comprehensive immigration reform = add 22 million foreigners to the voter rolls.
equal rights = special condemnation for normal people
voter suppression = allow anyone to walk up and cast a vote
obstruction of justice = protecting yourself from made up assertions
==== my mind is foggy this ayem - but the fact is that NOTHING that a DEMOCRAT campaigns on is anything but INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY -
You cannot name ONE principle that is not based in willful deception;
go
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:17 am to Bass Tiger
Well based upon their recent history I think you could throw pervert and incompetent into the equation and be onto something.
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