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Is Desantis your invitation to return to GOP politics business as usual?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:31 pm
I mean, he checks all the boxes, just like a dozen other republicans over the last 50 years.
And yet, it took Trump to expose this country as the corrupt cesspool that it is. Did any other republican prior to Trump convince half the population that American is a fraud? The answer is no. Ron Paul tried. He called out the CIA. He called out the Fed. He called out the permanent war footing. And he did it to the jeers of the GOP.
And he'd didn't move the public opinion needle very much at all.
So here is my dilemma. I am afraid that Trump is the only candidate constitutionally incapable of conforming to this corrupt system. Alot of you see that characteristic as the reason he failed, in that he gins up so much opposition with his abhorant personality. But I am scared to death of returning to "traditional conservative republicanism".
Traditional conservative republicans supported Nixon when he threw off the last vestiges of the gold standard, and with it the last constraint placed on the central bankers. Traditional conservative republicans voted overwhelmingly for NAFTA back in the 90's. Now, we manufacture virtually nothing in America. Traditional conservative republicans voted for the Iraq war. Now, look at the middle east.
In short, Desantis is the perfect traditional conservative republican ... without the baggage. Without the ugliness.
Just like 1968 - 2016.
The only thing Trump gave us of lasting value was the truth. And I'm not even sure he planned to. And I'm not even sure he particularly wanted to. But I am sure that there are ALOT of secrets kept in Washington, and it appears those secrets are kept by democrats and republicans and liberals and conservatives alike.
So a vote for Desantis is a vote for civility. He is someone who can outmaneuver the left by clearly communicating sound policy to the American people. And he can do so without the vitriol and hostility and controversy.
And yet, I wonder. Isn't that the same candidate we have been buying for the last 50 years? Is Desantis, the Harvard man, the Yale man... is he the type that will take on intelligence agencies and risk impeachment and prosecution and being hounded to the grave? Or maybe he can be effective without offending the deep, dark state.
Maybe. I doubt it.
And yet, it took Trump to expose this country as the corrupt cesspool that it is. Did any other republican prior to Trump convince half the population that American is a fraud? The answer is no. Ron Paul tried. He called out the CIA. He called out the Fed. He called out the permanent war footing. And he did it to the jeers of the GOP.
And he'd didn't move the public opinion needle very much at all.
So here is my dilemma. I am afraid that Trump is the only candidate constitutionally incapable of conforming to this corrupt system. Alot of you see that characteristic as the reason he failed, in that he gins up so much opposition with his abhorant personality. But I am scared to death of returning to "traditional conservative republicanism".
Traditional conservative republicans supported Nixon when he threw off the last vestiges of the gold standard, and with it the last constraint placed on the central bankers. Traditional conservative republicans voted overwhelmingly for NAFTA back in the 90's. Now, we manufacture virtually nothing in America. Traditional conservative republicans voted for the Iraq war. Now, look at the middle east.
In short, Desantis is the perfect traditional conservative republican ... without the baggage. Without the ugliness.
Just like 1968 - 2016.
The only thing Trump gave us of lasting value was the truth. And I'm not even sure he planned to. And I'm not even sure he particularly wanted to. But I am sure that there are ALOT of secrets kept in Washington, and it appears those secrets are kept by democrats and republicans and liberals and conservatives alike.
So a vote for Desantis is a vote for civility. He is someone who can outmaneuver the left by clearly communicating sound policy to the American people. And he can do so without the vitriol and hostility and controversy.
And yet, I wonder. Isn't that the same candidate we have been buying for the last 50 years? Is Desantis, the Harvard man, the Yale man... is he the type that will take on intelligence agencies and risk impeachment and prosecution and being hounded to the grave? Or maybe he can be effective without offending the deep, dark state.
Maybe. I doubt it.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:41 pm
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:32 pm to RiverCityTider
As usual? Depends on what decade you're referring to.....if we're discussing the George Washington era then yes.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:35 pm to RiverCityTider
Didn't realize he was a skull n bones type.. But seriously, going to Yale is a red flag.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:36 pm to Wtodd
See, your young. And you think you've found the ideal candidate. I get it.
But alot of them talk a good game. And when their arse is on the line, the trajectory keeps pointing downward.
But alot of them talk a good game. And when their arse is on the line, the trajectory keeps pointing downward.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:36 pm to RiverCityTider
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So a vote for Desantis is a vote for civility.
If Desantis is elected the press already has the articles ready claiming "He is Hitler, Satan and Vlad the Impaler come back to life. Much meaner, more racist, stupider than Trump ever was".
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:46 pm to RiverCityTider
I would say the potential red flags that would line up with these concerns just aren’t there with DeSantis. I know how many times we’ve been hoodwinked, but this time it really feels real.
DeSantis was legit when he was in Congress. I distinctly remember him promoting legislation that would’ve capped the Mueller BS at a six month timeframe. I’d be skeptical if he was wishy-washy before he had a chance to climb the political ladder in Florida, but he was real.
Also (and this is the big one) he was not originally supported at all by the Florida GOPe. They had their guy in Adam Putnam. Trump endorsed DeSantis, and the rest is history. This is the one right here. The potential for him to be a turncoat is directly based, in my opinion, on how he has related to the establishment before. It doesn’t appear that he is a big fan.
DeSantis was legit when he was in Congress. I distinctly remember him promoting legislation that would’ve capped the Mueller BS at a six month timeframe. I’d be skeptical if he was wishy-washy before he had a chance to climb the political ladder in Florida, but he was real.
Also (and this is the big one) he was not originally supported at all by the Florida GOPe. They had their guy in Adam Putnam. Trump endorsed DeSantis, and the rest is history. This is the one right here. The potential for him to be a turncoat is directly based, in my opinion, on how he has related to the establishment before. It doesn’t appear that he is a big fan.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:47 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:The mainstream media and most democrat politicians will still accuse him of being racist, sexist, LGBTQ-phobic, etc just like they do to everyone else they disagree with. And they'll do it with plenty of vitriol and hostility.
So a vote for Desantis is a vote for civility. He is someone who can outmaneuver the left by clearly communicating sound policy to the American people. And he can do so without the vitriol and hostility and controversy.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:47 pm to RiverCityTider
I'm not seeing Desantis with no vitriol or controversy. The entire media establishment came down on him in Florida, and he told them to frick off. He battles with activists journos. He stood up on transgender issues publicly. He's attacked CRT by name. He's one of few GOPers to do so, the others probably being Rand and Cruz and a smattering of others.
Anyway, I agree we don't know how much Desantis can be relied upon, but he's leading the hell out of a major US state. Meanwhile, I struggle to see the ongoing usefulness of Trump and nobody has really told me what I should want him for in a second term (beyond the melt).
We need leaders who will lay out the stark divides in America and either seek to win over those on the other side or advocate for a real split. I don't know that Desantis can really do it, but I know what Trump will do. He'll make the divide about himself, and we'll have disputes and battles, they just won't be over the things they should be able half the time. They'll be 100% about Trump, as usual.
Anyway, I agree we don't know how much Desantis can be relied upon, but he's leading the hell out of a major US state. Meanwhile, I struggle to see the ongoing usefulness of Trump and nobody has really told me what I should want him for in a second term (beyond the melt).
We need leaders who will lay out the stark divides in America and either seek to win over those on the other side or advocate for a real split. I don't know that Desantis can really do it, but I know what Trump will do. He'll make the divide about himself, and we'll have disputes and battles, they just won't be over the things they should be able half the time. They'll be 100% about Trump, as usual.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:48 pm to Zach
This is true, but the attacks won’t land like they did with Trump. Not even close. We all love Trump, but it’s at least understandable why some people don’t care for him. Many people are also VERY ignorant politically, and as COVID showed, VERY easily manipulated.
With DeSantis, there is not orange man bad. He’s just too smart and eloquent. The very far left will despise him of course and the media will attack him, but he’s so damn good at combating that as he’s showed as governor in going after the media. If he has Kamala as his opponent, he’s going to look even better to people as well. They can’t try all the want to smear him, but the hit pieces they’ve put out on him so far haven’t landed hardly at all.
With DeSantis, there is not orange man bad. He’s just too smart and eloquent. The very far left will despise him of course and the media will attack him, but he’s so damn good at combating that as he’s showed as governor in going after the media. If he has Kamala as his opponent, he’s going to look even better to people as well. They can’t try all the want to smear him, but the hit pieces they’ve put out on him so far haven’t landed hardly at all.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:50 pm to RiverCityTider
who got on your computer or phone?
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/grampaw-dont-no-im-on-here/97185269/
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/grampaw-dont-no-im-on-here/97185269/
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:52 pm to RiverCityTider
Just look at the posters who are the most vocal
The answer is yes
The answer is yes
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:52 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
So a vote for Desantis is a vote for civility.
So the snake says, to entice you to bite the apple.
I don't have a problem with Desantis, but the fallacy that the liberal sewage spewed about anyone right of Stalin would stop because it's not Trump is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:53 pm to Deplorable2015
He could be neocon fools gold. We just don't know.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:54 pm to RiverCityTider
So far so good with Desantis.
But you're absolutely right. We've been fooled before.
But you're absolutely right. We've been fooled before.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:59 pm to VoxDawg
I'm not anti Desantis either. But my gut tells me there is a reason the entire political system tried to vomit out Trump.
We switch horses, and sure, they will still attack, like they did Bush and McCain and Romney. But at the end of the day, I can see them all having cocktails together, just like the old days
We switch horses, and sure, they will still attack, like they did Bush and McCain and Romney. But at the end of the day, I can see them all having cocktails together, just like the old days
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:04 pm to RiverCityTider
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See, your young
Dude, I'm 61
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:09 pm to RiverCityTider
It's silly to lump all conservatives 1968-2016 together. There were different camps all this time.
The old left-wing joined the conservatives in the 60s and 70s as a counter to the New Left of the time. These people eventually became the neoconservatives. Most of what you mention comes from those types, not "traditional conservatives" -- for traditional conservatism you need to go back further in time.
The old left-wing joined the conservatives in the 60s and 70s as a counter to the New Left of the time. These people eventually became the neoconservatives. Most of what you mention comes from those types, not "traditional conservatives" -- for traditional conservatism you need to go back further in time.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:09 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
I can see them all having cocktails together, just like the old days
Like Trump literally did for decades?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 1:09 pm to RiverCityTider
You don’t know what DeSantis is, just like you didn’t know what Trump was. Nice try, though
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:12 pm to OccamsStubble
DeSantis did something interesting very early on, he immediately went after the marijuana constitution issue and on the side of allowing it. He even got John Morgan to support that move which is incredible.
With that, I do not know how far he may get with the deep state but I believe he would move forward on important issues much better that trump did if he has both Congress
He would tackle immigration and other hot button issues and be a good leader. We may never get another trump to expose HOR corrupt our government is but I think we also need a strong leader to right the ship
With that, I do not know how far he may get with the deep state but I believe he would move forward on important issues much better that trump did if he has both Congress
He would tackle immigration and other hot button issues and be a good leader. We may never get another trump to expose HOR corrupt our government is but I think we also need a strong leader to right the ship
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