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re: Is being racist always wrong?
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:17 am to Revelator
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:17 am to Revelator
The mind can't work properly without making value judgements about (pretty much) everything. Even as people read this post they are grading it internally.
On some level everyone does this in relation to race - usually from a cultural perspective.
Physiologically there are differences about which people could make, in their minds, evaluative judgements.
That's not racism, that's human nature.
Racism is acting out in ill-will toward a person of that race because of value judgements SPECIFICALLY related to race.
On some level everyone does this in relation to race - usually from a cultural perspective.
Physiologically there are differences about which people could make, in their minds, evaluative judgements.
That's not racism, that's human nature.
Racism is acting out in ill-will toward a person of that race because of value judgements SPECIFICALLY related to race.
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:24 am to Revelator
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a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Superior is a subjective term. Now, if you specified with something like cognitive abilities then yes, I believe that different races have different levels of IQ. Top to bottom would be:
Jews
Asians
Whites
Hispanic
Blacks
You could call that racism. I call it science.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:26 am to Revelator
quote:Well, when I was covering a couple of very fast receivers . . . j/k
So NC, have you ever wished you were a different race? And I don't mean in passing, but a true longing to be a different race?
No, honestly I've never given it any thought.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:32 am to Zach
Stereotypes and one races "superiority" (I use quotation marks because I mean it not that one race should be in charge of another, but rather is more successful) can be proven through statistics.
Stereotypes exist for a reason whether people will admit it or not.
Stereotypes exist for a reason whether people will admit it or not.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:48 am to Revelator
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Asians wanting their kids to marry other Asians is racist,
Thats not racist, thats a cultural thing. Now forbidding their daughter to marry a lazy hispanic is definitely racist.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:48 am to Revelator
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Anyone who has truly never longed to be another race is, at least on a subconscious level, saying that his race is superior.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:52 am to Revelator
I'm reading the stories about the Clippers owner this morning. He must be a staunch Democrat. No way an owner from a Southern team could say those things.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:53 am to Revelator
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rac·ist 'rasist/ noun 1. a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. adjective 1. having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
Define "superior", Rev.
It's damn obvious that particular races and individuals (genetic traits) are relatively superior in some aspects and inferior in others.
We'll choose teams for some pickup ball...you can have the white guys.
How bout teams for a spelling bee. I'll take the Asians.
Unmatched will power toward pragmatic ends...the Chinese win hands down.
Creativity. Give me the Jews. They copped most every Nobel Prize...back when the NB meant something.
'Heart'...and a desire for Truth and Love. White Europeans take first prize; as the historical evidence bears witness.
But for the last, the above characteristics are worldly. The desire and ability to know Truth and embrace Love is - or ideally should be - THE defining criteria by which relative 'superiority' or value of any group or individual is measured. In that respect...ANY group or individual is truly equal, and has equal opportunity to embrace those empowering Principles. Outside of that...it's status games, Capitalism vs. Socialism...and 'wailing and gnashing of teeth'.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:57 am to NC_Tigah
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Racism entails belief in intrinsic superiority (and intrinsic inferiority) of particular races.
What do you think that adds to the discussion? If there are differences between groups, races, ethnicities, cultures, how are these differences not natural? And wouldn't natural become as loaded as homosexuality being natural?
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It also implies derisive behavior towards members of another race on the basis of that belief.
No it doesn't,
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:05 am to Ponchy Tiger
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if your white you are automatically wrong, it doesn't matter.
So, you'd rather be black?
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:09 am to Zach
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Superior is a subjective term. Now, if you specified with something like cognitive abilities then yes, I believe that different races have different levels of IQ. Top to bottom would be:
Jews
Asians
Whites
Hispanic
Blacks
You could call that racism. I call it science.
Ok, then give us some scientific results that support your assertion.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:18 am to Big12fan
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Ok, then give us some scientific results that support your assertion.
Pick up The Bell Curve at your local bookstore and read it like I did. It's only 870 pages, but if that's daunting you can skip the math tables. That reduces it to about 700 pages.
I also recommend reading Arthur Jensen.
Frankly, I am surprised that someone actually exists who does not realize that there are racial IQ differences. I wouldn't go around saying that IRL.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:23 am to Revelator
The term "racist" is misused way too often.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:24 am to Revelator
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Anyone who has truly never longed to be another race is, at least on a subconscious level, saying that his race is superior.
So to not be racist you must be racist towards your own race.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:26 am to EST
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The term "racist" is misused way too often.
In my view, racism is perpetrated on another by actions and one shouldn't simply be deemed a racist by using certain words or perhaps misspeaking.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:28 am to NC_Tigah
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Is being a racist always wrong?
Yes.
So is that definition btw.
At least insofar as it's incomplete.
Racism entails belief in intrinsic superiority (and intrinsic inferiority) of particular races. It also implies derisive behavior towards members of another race on the basis of that belief.
That's pretty much my view.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:32 am to Revelator
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Anyone who has truly never longed to be another race is, at least on a subconscious level, saying that his race is superior.
No really, imo.
First of all, one's race is what is familiar and comfortable for the most part. Joining another race is the unknown.
Second of all, I think you have to be honest about the relative position of racial groups in a particular society. If your group is the majority and/or has the advantage, it's not really racist if you don't want to switch positions.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:34 am to Revelator
What If you have one man like Bundy who is an old rural boy who uses improper terminology, but is sincerely friendly to other racist and truly helps them to succeed, then, you have a second man who uses all the right buzz words, but keeps back other races by holding them to inferior standards because deep down, he doesn't think they are capable of helping themselves? Who is the real racist in this scenario?
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:40 am to Revelator
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a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
So is it racist if you believe that a race outside of your own is superior in certain aspects
Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:43 am to Lsut81
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So is it racist if you believe that a race outside of your own is superior in certain aspects
This is the type of things that should be discussed when talking about race instead of the usual knee jerk barbs thrown around in most conversations on this topic.
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