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re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:33 am to TIGA 80
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:33 am to TIGA 80
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We were better off with the handful of Dictators that ruled the Middle eastern countries. They controlled the population and kept the radical muslims in check. Ok so they had some humans rights abuses, no more so than what is happening now. Hell we put most of the dictators in power to begin with and they did our bidding. Yeah they may have had to put on a show about how bad America was, but that was to gain favor with their people. They had to blame someone else for their failures. Having Dictators cost us less in money and blood and had controlled the middle east with much less destructive effects.
I agree with this. I believe President Bush had good/sincere intentions regarding Iraq but he nor his advisers understood the long term implications/repercussions. But as I say, hineysight is always 20/20. Considering that Iraq had invaded Kuwait and Saddam had become dangerously belligerent and defiant, had repeatedly used chemical weapons and WAS developing nuclear weapons, it is easy to understand how things went down the way they did.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:35 am to Lsut81
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So with what is going on in Iraq now, will Obama and his ilk blame Bush???
Yes
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:43 am to davesdawgs
quote:Dear God, make it stop.
I believe President Bush had good/sincere intentions regarding Iraq but he nor his advisers understood the long term implications/repercussions.
How utterly ignorant does a person have to be to honestly believe that Generals and military leaders, who probably studied for years and graduated from military schools, weren't aware of the consequences of war whether short- or long-termed.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ you people are gullible.
Please stop! For the love of God, please stop!
Stop being so goddamned ignorant.
YOU are enabling these horrific wars.
If you're going to blame someone....BLAME YOURSELF!
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:45 am to davesdawgs
quote:Link please.
I agree with this. I believe President Bush had good/sincere intentions regarding Iraq but he nor his advisers understood the long term implications/repercussions. But as I say, hineysight is always 20/20. Considering that Iraq had invaded Kuwait and Saddam had become dangerously belligerent and defiant, had repeatedly used chemical weapons and WAS developing nuclear weapons, it is easy to understand how things went down the way they did.
I would say that you are the last person on Earth to believe this, but unfortunately there are others.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:45 am to TX Tiger
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YOU are enabling these horrific wars
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:46 am to Lsut81
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Now if you want to be truthful, Obama attempted to negotiate a longer stay of US Troops, but was rejected by the Iraqis.
This is exactly why I'm on the fence in terms of sympathy for Maliki. He opted to pull a HKarzai and say "we got this man! GTFO", yet now the shite has hit the fan, he's now saying "ahhh c'mon, I was just kidding - come back". It's tough to feel sympathy for him personally, but what about the 500k+ that have been forced to vacate their homes? They didn't have anything to do with anything other than being citizens.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:46 am to Lsut81
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:49 am to Lsut81
ETA: The Iraqis and the Islamists are primarily to blame. But stow the "he'll blame Bush" card. Bush is more to blame than anyone in the world that I can think of aside from the Iraqis themselves. Not really debatable.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:51 am to Lsut81
Bush obviously.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:51 am to idlewatcher
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why I'm on the fence in terms of sympathy for Maliki
On the fence?!?!?! frick Maliki. He made his bed, now he gets to lay in it.
If the Iraqis want to be ruled by an Islamic theocracy, so be it. If they don't want to be ruled by a bunch of tyrannical dickheads, let them pick up a gun and fight.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:17 am to kywildcatfanone
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Bush obviously
First four-term president since FDR.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:49 am to boosiebadazz
There is still the "nuclear option".....
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:04 am to boosiebadazz
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On the fence?!?!?! frick Maliki. He made his bed, now he gets to lay in it.
I couldn't give two fricks about Maliki, I'm a bit more concerned about the people who had nothing to do with this charade nor had nothing to do with the Americans leaving. They are just sitting ducks for ISIS and should be protected.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:06 am to idlewatcher
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They are just sitting ducks for ISIS and should be protected.
...by the Iraqi military.
If they won't do it, pick up a gun and fight.
I've lost all will for policing everything everywhere.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:09 am to Lsut81
Why must it be someone's fault? The vast majority of Americans were in favor of removing Saddam Hussein and his regime. The same majority of Americans were in favor of trying to foster a new government in Iraq that would be predisposed to Western ideals. We removed Saddam Hussein and his regime without any serious difficulties or complications. We tried to foster a government predisposed to Western ideals, and we encountered all sorts of difficulties and complications. After devoting more lives and treasure to the effort we learned that we were not willing to pay the costs to see the effort through to completion, or if completion was even possible.
Without the knowledge that rebuilding Iraq as we desired was not going to occur, what alternative decisions that were under consideration should Bush, and Congress, have made?
Without the knowledge that rebuilding Iraq as we desired was not going to occur, what alternative decisions that were under consideration should Bush, and Congress, have made?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:11 am to Poodlebrain
What he said^
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:16 am to Poodlebrain
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Why must it be someone's fault? The vast majority of Americans were in favor of removing Saddam Hussein and his regime. The same majority of Americans were in favor of trying to foster a new government in Iraq that would be predisposed to Western ideals. We removed Saddam Hussein and his regime without any serious difficulties or complications. We tried to foster a government predisposed to Western ideals, and we encountered all sorts of difficulties and complications. After devoting more lives and treasure to the effort we learned that we were not willing to pay the costs to see the effort through to completion, or if completion was even possible.
Because when something is done, and it goes to shite, someone is responsible. This wasn't a fricking act of nature. And I love all of the flowery ideas that underpinned the invasion as well, but ill-conceived is ill-conceived.
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Without the knowledge that rebuilding Iraq as we desired was not going to occur, what alternative decisions that were under consideration should Bush, and Congress, have made?
An alternative to initiating an elective war is, uhhh, not initiating an elective war.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:16 am to Poodlebrain
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The vast majority of Americans were in favor of removing Saddam Hussein and his regime
Good lord! The vast majority of Americans back then, just like Congress, were led to believe we were going to Iraq because of proof of WMD. If the American public would have been told the truth to why we were really going there, do you honestly think America would have still supported this?? The reality is that the present day situation in Iraq is still placed at the feet of George Bush...and rightfully so! Plain and simple.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:22 am to Lsut81
My guess is he'll blame the Iraqis that are responsible? And why should we care about Iraq, really?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:22 am to Buckeye Backer
The White House statement on the developments in Iraq - "We offer our condolences".
Translation - "Bend over and kiss your asses goodbye."
Translation - "Bend over and kiss your asses goodbye."
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