re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?

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Dude, Saddam Hussein was a household name.

Pre-Iraq invasion?

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Who do you think we went to war against in 1991 in Kuwait?

Serious question: Are you on memory altering drugs?

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Baghdad falls = U.S. ground soliders back into Iraq within six months ?


I think we'll be providing air support within a matter of a few days.

There's also the issue of the ISIS actually taking Baghdad. It's an entirely different beast than any of these cities they've taken so far. They'll be stepping away from the home field for the first time since they started this operation.

I posted this fact in another post, but I'll post it here again: there are about as many people in Sadr City alone (which is about 98% Shi'a) in Baghdad as there are an all of Mosul, by far the largest city taken so far.

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That is a good point, I remember you saying that before. Have there been any intelligence community articles that point out or estimate the true fighting force size of ISIS?

Although it appears even Al-Qaeda avoids them, are there other terrorist outfits that might jump in on this with them?

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Your so full of shite.

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Show me where I have said anything different?


Looks like you're the one full of shite

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Pre-Iraq invasion?

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Any one who considered themselves newsworthy literate - yes. The ones that didn't, I could care less what they think. It's kind of like people who don't vote but then bitch about everything that is wrong because so-n-so got elected. That's their right to stay silent with their non vote but it doesn't give them much credence to bitch about it afterwards imo.

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Who do you think we went to war against in 1991 in Kuwait?

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I honestly don't think he's ever heard of that one. And he has the nerve to call all of us clueless.

ISIS has apparently declared it's going to take Najaf and Karbala, which are two of the biggest Shi'ite shrines.

Both cities are to the southwest of Baghdad.

Najaf and Mosul, which they've already taken, are to the northwest. This means they'd effectively loop around Baghdad and cut it off from much of the country, limiting access to anything west of the Euphrates.


If they go from there and take the Tigris river between Baghdad and the Gulf, Baghdad's fricked unless the Iranians decide to help them out. And Iran would rather help themselves to, say, the oil fields at Basra which are along the Gulf near the Kuwaiti border.

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Social Security and Medicare went to shite and have caused enormous deficits and national debt. Why are FDR and LBJ not given responsibility for our deficits and national debt, or was I mistaken when Obama tried to blame Bush for our deficits and national debt? At some point if you don't solve a problem created by others you become responsible for it. When does Obama become responsible for problems, caused by others, he did not solve, and may have exacerbated?

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That was a mildly clever attempt at misdirection, but SS and Medicare are 50 and 70 years old respectively. There have been a lot hands in those pots manipulating a lot of things for decades. FDR and LBJ bear some of the blame, but decades of mismanagement can't fall squarely on any single president or Congress. And those programs have, by the way, at least provided some palpable benefits while straining the nation's economic health.

Iraq in total has been an unmitigated disaster that was conceived and pushed entirely by one administration. It was authorized by Congress and supported by most Americans (myself included) because we honestly believed Saddam had WMD. Perhaps he did and moved it into Syria. But we have not been able to validate the justification for the war in over 10 years. As I said, it was started by one administration, enjoyed early success, went to shite because we dramatically underestimated the required compliment of troops needed to secure the country and failed to anticipate the breadth of the insurgency, partially stabilized by a surge once Rumsfeld's incompetent arse retired, and was placed on a timetable for US disengagement--all within one administration.

No one can solve Iraq without putting a million troops in country. It was fricked up under Saddam, but it wasn't broken. Now it's broken. And Saddam's removal even had the unintended consequence of emboldening Iran and giving them an opportunity to better meddle in our affairs both in Iraq and throughout the region. Whoever started this stupid fricking thread with the usual circle-jerk inducing sarcastic title should have simply asked: who's to blame for Iraq? It's fairly apparent to those with human brains, friend.

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The vast majority of Americans are consumed with the latest hit song, fashion, class-status, etc.

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Apparently you are. You'd never heard of the Gulf War before this thread.

Israel?

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Pre-Iraq invasion?



Any one who considered themselves newsworthy literate - yes.

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Agreed. But that's not what was stated.

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The ones that didn't, I could care less what they think. It's kind of like people who don't vote but then bitch about everything that is wrong because so-n-so got elected. That's their right to stay silent with their non vote but it doesn't give them much credence to bitch about it afterwards imo.

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I agree.